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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg well Chris O'Brien

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is back this week he missed last week's

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episode for reasons he'll explain in

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just a moment as he's already outlined

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on our other show after the power cast

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but last week we had a terrific episode

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Kurt Collins was the last-minute guest

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co-host we featured red pill junky with

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some just amazing discussions which

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filtered into after the power cast and

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also formed the basis of the editorial

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in the power cash newsletter perhaps the

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best newsletter we've ever had Chris

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welcome back what kept you away last

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week well just kind of an emergency I

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you know had a good friend who you know

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received a new kidney about eight months

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ago and just having a hard time fighting

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an infection so I ended up having to

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take him to the hospital he's still

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there and though just hoping for the

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best of course you can tell our

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listeners who this person is because he

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is someone whom our listeners should

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know yeah clifford mahooty my zuny

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friend well we certainly hope he gets

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better erstwhile funny man he's not

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feeling very funny right now well we

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well understand that and hopefully he'll

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be feeling a lot better real soon now

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yep in the meantime last week we brought

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out something which is probably not

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original but it has fueled a lot of

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fascinating discussion and that is the

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possible relationship between UFO

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both cases seeing some other place

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interpreted in different ways and

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something I hadn't thought about but

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then if we look at it it seems perfectly

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logical Chris um yeah it does

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I've always felt that there was some

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what appear to be you know completely

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separate experiences or you know

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categories of experiences and I've

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always had a sense that those so there's

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some on some level and I think any

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thinking that's done along those lines

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could be quite fruitful and might bear

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bear some results I see the problem

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right now with investigations is that

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they're put into categories which seems

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sensible if you have a near-death

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experience or you are on the operating

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table for example you stop breathing and

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you have these visions or whatever it is

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you look at them and say well I was dead

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clinically and therefore this is a

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near-death experience but then when you

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encounter some kind of creature maybe

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while you were asleep or when you're in

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an altered state of consciousness you

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figure it's not a near-death experience

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because you weren't dead therefore maybe

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it's aut maybe it's some kind of other

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creature or other being and that's why

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we have this sort of separation but it

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may be here that it's not the means to

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the altered state of consciousness but

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the end result well yeah yeah exactly

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factor anything in I think we should all

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always good to find and look for and

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find commonalities and connecting points

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of you know data of experiences

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categories of experience or what have

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that there's that there's it's highly

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possible that there are some connecting

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points between these two seemingly

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divergent phenomena but you have to have

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a more expansive view of mysteries

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around us mm-hmm

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because as soon as you attribute

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something to ET you're putting it in a

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box as soon as you say this is a

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near-death experience because I was

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clinically dead and therefore maybe I

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saw heaven or the weigh station between

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here in heaven I'm putting it in a box

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the whole point and that's the problem

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with investigating subjects like this we

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are so quick to find a place where they

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must fit and once they fit in those

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categories like UFOs must be spaceships

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of UFOs being spaceships we can't look

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at other possibilities and we're not

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necessarily dismissing the possibility

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of UFOs and spaceships mind you know

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data to really come up with a solid

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concrete answer that's you know

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irrefutable nobody really knows for sure

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so you know we always have to keep open

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minds about all this stuff and I know we

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sound like broken records constantly

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harping on this but it's true and

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especially people coming into the field

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may be newbies who really don't have the

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the the background and haven't read all

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the books haven't kept up on the cases

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and and you know they're they're

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struggling to bring themselves up to

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speed and you know unfortunately too

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many of them rely on the media and

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especially television and you're just

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you're gonna get such a skewed view of

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all this type of phenomenal information

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if you think huh it is the end-all to be

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all in terms of your educational process

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that unfortunately you know it shows

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like this and and in reading books and

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in getting yourself up to speed finding

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authors and smart people that makes

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sense you know and really absorbing

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absorbing their work and and reaping the

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benefit of their of their insight in the

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quality of the in-depth of their

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thinking you just can't you can't allow

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the media to be you know your your

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educational system it's just too trite

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it's too shallow it cuts too many

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corners it generalizes and it panders to

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you know the pop cultural beliefs that

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for creating in the first place so

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the problem here is also the evidence

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may indeed be out there but we're

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putting it in a box that maybe it

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more expansive possibility or simply

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rather than say well this must be the

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UFO and this must be the near-death

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experience and this must be the ghost

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and this must be the Bigfoot if we don't

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look into the possibility that some of

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these things might be related if we

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know our guest this week chris wachowsky

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healthily skeptical but open-minded and

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and interested enough and motivated

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enough to actually do some some real

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quality work and and although it's all

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that sort of a perspective and viewpoint

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his work is invaluable and there's

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need more people like that and we need

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more people who are willing to you know

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another Chris Chris for Kowski who we

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bring on the show every so often to

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bring us a reality check about UFOs and

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related mysteries we kind of need that

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reality check because things get kind of

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crazy and wacky all the time and also

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for those of you who think there are no

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more sightings if you look at Chris's

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site you find there are constant barrage

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of sighting especially in Canada fact

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what I ask you about that right now

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because we've been seeing that the last

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few years

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larger numbers of cases is that because

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more people are seeing or looking for

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things or is it just that the number of

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cases is higher well that's a good

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question and I think it's a combination

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of of those two plus a few more factors

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there's no question that it's certainly

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a lot easier now to report your

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sightings that a number of years ago

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because you know the you can go online

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and type in you know report UFO sighting

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there's a lot of websites that'll do

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that I think people are spending a

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little more time believe it or not

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instead of looking down at their phones

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there are people who spend some time

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looking up and and

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they've been looking down at their

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phones too so long that looking up

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they'll see something so I think there's

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a factor there as well but there are of

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course more things up there mean the

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number of satellites that are being

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launched and breaking apart and so forth

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or certainly that number is increasing

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there's more aircraft that are being

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sent out there so I think there

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certainly are more and more things and

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of course with the advent of drones and

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all other paraphernalia that are being

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set up in local areas I think there are

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more things to be seen but I think the

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fact is that people really are puzzled

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by what they're seeing in the sky and if

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they're not used to it they'll report it

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do we see because we have drones and all

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these things that there are more false

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positives more things being reported

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that turn out to be conventional drones

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is a good example where in theory there

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are a lot of drones out there and that's

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certainly possible what people are

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seeing but we do really get few reports

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of drones I like Chinese lanterns

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there's no question that a lot of cases

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are Chinese lanterns that doesn't mean

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that every case is a Chinese Lantern in

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fact there are cases where lights are

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seeing that don't have the

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characteristics of Chinese lanterns but

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it's assumed they're Chinese lanterns

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because and all we heard during a

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festival of some sort and then people

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thought that that's what was being seen

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same thing with drones no question that

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drones are a good explanation for more

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and more cases there's more and more

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going up there people are flying them

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without authorization over places they

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shouldn't be flying them there's near

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misses with aircraft

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there's people flying drones outside of

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apartment buildings so there's no

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question that drones can explain a lot

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of cases but there are other

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characteristics of UFOs that are being

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reported that are very under owned like

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like noiseless for example like behaving

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in fashions where they will move and

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dart about but they're being flown at

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night in treat areas and in areas where

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the you know would be very tough to to

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fly a drone

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you know these things cost a lot of

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money I don't know if I'd be flying my

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drone around areas where they might get

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damaged and fall apart so or at night

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just flying at night is is could be very

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hazardous to your technology's help oh

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absolutely

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yeah no question people do that but just

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because they there certainly are drones

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out there being flown at night doesn't

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mean that that's what UFOs are

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explainable as but it's certainly adding

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to a lot of the confusion it's certainly

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something that people investigating UFOs

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have to take into account now

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well if Amazon starts sending drones to

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bring you a copy of a book or something

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or router for your computer they're

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gonna be all over the place yeah

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absolutely I could just wait for that

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now I had noticed some time back that

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you were listed among the members of the

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Roswell slides research group yo how'd

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you get sucked into that well you know I

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was originally part of the dream team

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itself yeah whatever happened to the

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dream team yeah well came the nightmare

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team no I was actually invited quite a

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long time ago by Kevin Randall to join

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Kerry and so forth when they started on

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this venture and then after some

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exchange of of correspondence I never

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heard from from anyone again and it

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turns out that when the dream team or

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the the true dream team came forward

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with their announcement that they were

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gonna have the the slides on display my

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name wasn't listed among them so

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somewhere along the way they dropped me

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and I'm not sure sure what happened

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there I was never actually shown the

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slides and when people started talking

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about the dream team you know coming

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forward the slides I got all the

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questions so I started being curious

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about this and I noticed the discussions

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on Facebook and elsewhere and I joined

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in and was very confused as to why this

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thing was being pushed when it was so

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obviously a mummy and joined in the

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discussion with that at a very early

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stage and along the way I got brought

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into the the inner circle of the not so

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dream team the nightmare Club nightmare

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Club yeah and of course that's morphed

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into the Puerto Rican Club but that's

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another another case altogether we heard

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about that from Kurt Cohen's last week

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is there anything more you can tell us

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about that well no I think Isaac coy has

490
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just recently over the past couple of

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days published a manifesto that's

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probably as long as the scu reported

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self going into detail as to what's seen

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frame-by-frame and how do we deal with

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it and how we explain it and how do we

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describe what's going on which is a very

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thorough analysis and that's just

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started over the past couple of days

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over the the coming weeks well people

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will start contributing to that and

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we'll see a little bit more well why

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don't you describe for some of our

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listeners who may not be up to speed on

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that particular piece of visual evidence

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or alleged of it visual evidence once

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you give him a little thumbnail on that

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yeah a couple years ago there was a

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video that began circulating and ufology

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circles of a infrared video our video

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taken with an infrared camera of an

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object moving over the skies in Puerto

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Rico and it passed over an airfield and

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a number of other prominent locations

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and it appeared to be moving very

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quickly and the interpretation was that

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this was an unexplained object that it

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was not a plane or balloon or bird or

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anything and a group of individuals

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among them rich Hoffman and a few others

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produced a very very detailed report

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under the guise of organized a group

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called SCU scientific what was that

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again scientific something of ufology

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anyways they produced a very long report

525
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analyzing this video and some of the

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what's been said about it saying that it

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doesn't have the characteristics of any

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conventional object and in fact it's at

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one point actually several points in the

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video it appears to fly down into and

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the water over the ocean and out again a

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few times which is something impossible

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00:22:01,620 --> 00:22:00,250
by conventional craft I am and towards

534
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the end of the video it actually splits

535
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in two so their interpretation isn't

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that it's identified as a spacecraft

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just that they say that has no

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characteristics of anything conventional

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and they back it up with a lot of

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scientific terminology and

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interpretation by experts and they've

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sort of presented it as a you know a

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test case of what can be done regarding

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a really good evidential video of a UFO

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we'll have more about this particular

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Ford weaken case and other subjects we

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also have lots of questions for our

548
00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:36,460
listeners to ask of our guest Chris

549
00:22:47,470 --> 00:22:39,070
Rutkowski so there's a lot of room to

550
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[Music]

551
00:23:01,200 --> 00:22:59,700
hi this is ten Anderson have you ever

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wondered why banks stockbrokers

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investment advisors won't talk about

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they've been available since 1986 yet

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the value of gold for your retirement

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45 to 50 years hoping to build up enough

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wealth to retire and live out their

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fly free enterprise or is our monetary

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unit we call the Federal Reserve Note

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forcing us into perpetual debt ensuring

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inflation in higher taxes these

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questions and more can be answered by

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reading G Edward Griffin 's book the

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creature from Jekyll Island congressman

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Ron Paul states it's what every American

620
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needs to know about central bank power a

621
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gripping adventure into the secret world

622
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of international banking cartel hi this

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is Ted Anderson I will give a silver

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dollar from the early 1900's

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[Music]

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cross TV from the future and you are

630
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listening to the podcast the gold

631
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when we use Chris under his real name

632
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Chris O'Brien's real name the voice he

633
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knows is for the power cast changes and

634
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a little bit later I'll give you a hand

635
00:27:31,189 --> 00:27:29,369
here we were to see how Chris would

636
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Kowski does it but not now we don't

637
00:27:34,369 --> 00:27:32,969
explain anything else you can tell us

638
00:27:36,919 --> 00:27:34,379
about this supporter weakened case

639
00:27:41,449 --> 00:27:36,929
before we move on no other than the fact

640
00:27:43,069 --> 00:27:41,459
that it's being dissected bit by bit by

641
00:27:46,129 --> 00:27:43,079
a new group parallel to the Roswell

642
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:46,139
slides group and the reviews aren't

643
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completely positive not that any they

644
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did anything wrong it's just that it

645
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doesn't appear to be as unexplainable as

646
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purported in fact there's a lot of

647
00:27:59,599 --> 00:27:56,909
evidence to suggest that it could in

648
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fact be some kind of mylar balloon or

649
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:01,229
actually more than one mylar balloon

650
00:28:05,449 --> 00:28:03,659
factors one possibility that it could

651
00:28:07,819 --> 00:28:05,459
actually be pelicans and this goes back

652
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:07,829
to Pelican ISM and the old days of

653
00:28:13,189 --> 00:28:10,769
ufology where people were claiming to be

654
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:13,199
birds of one sort or another but it's

655
00:28:16,879 --> 00:28:14,849
interesting to see the debate rage on I

656
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:16,889
don't know where it's gonna go to me it

657
00:28:22,309 --> 00:28:19,289
simply does look like a balloon or

658
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:22,319
cluster balloons and you know that's

659
00:28:26,509 --> 00:28:24,089
without you know having any technical

660
00:28:28,579 --> 00:28:26,519
expertise and analyzing how infrared

661
00:28:31,159 --> 00:28:28,589
cameras work so we'll see where that

662
00:28:33,829 --> 00:28:31,169
goes how many of you are involved in

663
00:28:35,959 --> 00:28:33,839
this exact same people as the Roswell

664
00:28:38,539 --> 00:28:35,969
slides group or just a few of the same

665
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:38,549
again the list has just been formulated

666
00:28:42,379 --> 00:28:40,169
over the past couple of days it looks to

667
00:28:44,479 --> 00:28:42,389
be almost the same as the the Roswell

668
00:28:46,819 --> 00:28:44,489
slides group with one or two dropouts

669
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:46,829
and add-ins I think Ted Rose in this

670
00:28:51,259 --> 00:28:48,329
group I don't think he was in the

671
00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:51,269
Roswell slides group originally but it's

672
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:53,909
you know about a half dozen to 10 or so

673
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:56,129
and it's just people who are really

674
00:29:00,829 --> 00:28:57,690
fascinated with the subject with open

675
00:29:02,180 --> 00:29:00,839
minds Tim Printy again and our skeptic

676
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:02,190
as part of this group as he was with

677
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:05,129
Theo was a slides group you know Curt

678
00:29:08,899 --> 00:29:07,289
and Isaac and a number of others so

679
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:08,909
there's a good group of people who are

680
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:11,369
have a lot of knowledge behind them and

681
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they I would call them maybe sceptical

682
00:29:21,829 --> 00:29:19,709
Objectivists or more unbiased skeptics

683
00:29:23,749 --> 00:29:21,839
perhaps where you know we're not

684
00:29:25,699 --> 00:29:23,759
necessarily out to debunk anything and

685
00:29:28,219 --> 00:29:25,709
all with exception to imprinting maybe

686
00:29:29,329 --> 00:29:28,229
but certainly people who are trying to

687
00:29:31,369 --> 00:29:29,339
figure out what is actually being

688
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:31,379
reported what's what was actually seen

689
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:32,250
they're trying to get to the

690
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of what really is going on and

691
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:36,200
ultimately that's the whole point of

692
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:39,539
serious ufology and and investigative

693
00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:40,919
ufology trying to understand what it is

694
00:29:44,299 --> 00:29:42,539
that people are seeing and reporting

695
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:44,309
there's some discussion about the

696
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provenance and I go on about Providence

697
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:49,890
a few times and in my discussions about

698
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:51,720
the origin of the video how did we get

699
00:29:58,279 --> 00:29:54,330
the video how did you follow G at a hold

700
00:30:01,039 --> 00:29:58,289
of an infrared video taken by apparently

701
00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:01,049
somebody with Homeland Security I mean

702
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,780
how does that work that we could be in

703
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,520
possession of such a video who took it

704
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:08,340
and how come we can't actually talk to

705
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:10,679
the original pilot the original

706
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:13,650
photographer and so forth so there's

707
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some concern about where the video came

708
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:19,950
from and it's you know we have to go

709
00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:21,659
through all this process in order to

710
00:30:27,620 --> 00:30:24,900
ascertain the the factual information

711
00:30:29,270 --> 00:30:27,630
regarding a case otherwise it's just

712
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:29,280
something that's claimed that we want to

713
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,020
really understand what is being imported

714
00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:32,640
so that when the scientific community

715
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:36,179
comes to you know to look at the case if

716
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:38,460
they ever do we can say these are the

717
00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:39,929
answers to all the questions you might

718
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:42,750
have in effect the Roswell slides group

719
00:30:47,299 --> 00:30:44,820
and now the Puerto Rican group are I

720
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:47,309
suppose the true liaison between the

721
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:51,120
scientific community and ufology and

722
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:53,220
that this is sort of the intermediate

723
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:55,260
step to take before it goes to the

724
00:31:00,080 --> 00:30:56,970
scientific community and say yes there

725
00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:00,090
really is some evidence for UFOs and

726
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,270
this is what you need to look at so why

727
00:31:08,390 --> 00:31:06,000
is it taken almost 70 years to get to

728
00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:08,400
this point shouldn't this have been done

729
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:12,539
back in 1950 I don't think it could have

730
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:14,070
been done in 1950 because we didn't have

731
00:31:18,890 --> 00:31:16,140
the expertise there people didn't have

732
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:18,900
the capability of the technology back

733
00:31:24,610 --> 00:31:20,940
then we didn't have access to the report

734
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:24,620
files in the 1950s both those are really

735
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:27,929
in the you know really in the hands of

736
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:29,510
the military and the government

737
00:31:34,390 --> 00:31:31,740
certainly there were civilian UFO groups

738
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:34,400
but most of the civilian UFO groups were

739
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:38,159
composed not really a lot of scientific

740
00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:41,399
individuals but you know there were some

741
00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:44,700
people involved but the by and large the

742
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:45,720
civilian UFO

743
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:49,200
where you know people who are in

744
00:31:54,650 --> 00:31:52,170
basically laymen and laywomen that that

745
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,660
really didn't have a good grasp of I was

746
00:31:58,460 --> 00:31:56,640
seeing the aeronautical expertise wasn't

747
00:31:59,900 --> 00:31:58,470
there the electronic the flight

748
00:32:02,480 --> 00:31:59,910
engineering that all that type of thing

749
00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:02,490
simply didn't exist we certainly had

750
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,590
more by let's say this 60s 70s 80s and

751
00:32:09,530 --> 00:32:08,700
coincidentally as the dawn of the

752
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:09,540
Internet

753
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:11,850
broke upon us and in the 80s and into

754
00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:14,490
the 90s we were able to have the average

755
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:17,430
citizen use computers to crunch numbers

756
00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:20,520
and and look at videos and so forth so

757
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:23,960
it really took technological

758
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:26,010
advancements to the point where we have

759
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,740
you know anybody can download programs

760
00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:31,200
to analyze software to analyze videos to

761
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:33,390
analyze photographs right now in the

762
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:34,860
sense that you know there also is the

763
00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:36,690
technology to fake it there also is the

764
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,990
technology to to analyze it and it's the

765
00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:42,240
hands of the average person sitting in

766
00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:45,630
their basement or attic in front of a

767
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:49,470
computer so anyone has the ability to do

768
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:51,810
some decent analysis and analysis and

769
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,820
good scientific work well that's

770
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,640
certainly a healthy change and I like to

771
00:33:00,320 --> 00:32:58,260
see this continue do you think they'll

772
00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:00,330
be sequels to this that this particular

773
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:02,550
group that rusts well slides group or as

774
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:04,020
we call it the topic that shall not be

775
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:08,340
named and the Puerto Rican group do you

776
00:33:12,260 --> 00:33:09,690
think that will morph into something

777
00:33:15,050 --> 00:33:12,270
more permanent I think that that you'll

778
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:15,060
see a dedicated group of individuals and

779
00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:16,890
and I don't know what it would look like

780
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:18,390
whether they're gonna be holding their

781
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:21,330
own conferences or what not people who

782
00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:25,260
are I know really looking intently and

783
00:33:30,170 --> 00:33:27,630
analyzing the heck out of some of the

784
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:30,180
UFO cases it's interesting there is a

785
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:33,720
parallel in I guess ghost-hunting you

786
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:35,010
know there is the pop ghost-hunting

787
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:37,260
stuff that you see on TV and all the

788
00:33:42,170 --> 00:33:39,450
videos but when you go to paranormal

789
00:33:45,140 --> 00:33:42,180
conferences there's usually not quite a

790
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:45,150
dead dog session but there's a number of

791
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:47,640
sessions where some of the serious

792
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:49,740
paranormal investigators sit around

793
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:51,690
together and show off their best

794
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:54,300
evidence to each other usually in a

795
00:33:59,379 --> 00:33:57,450
hotel room somewhere usually accompanied

796
00:34:01,180 --> 00:33:59,389
by a lot of liquid

797
00:34:03,789 --> 00:34:01,190
lightning but they showed off to each

798
00:34:07,329 --> 00:34:03,799
other and the purpose is for each other

799
00:34:10,299 --> 00:34:07,339
to tear each others of evidence apart so

800
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:10,309
that you know where what's left is only

801
00:34:15,309 --> 00:34:13,129
the really really good cases and usually

802
00:34:17,289 --> 00:34:15,319
what happens is not much is left after

803
00:34:19,659 --> 00:34:17,299
most sessions like that there really

804
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,669
isn't anything like that in ufology yet

805
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:21,679
although it does seem that we're seeing

806
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:24,169
the beginnings of this right now in

807
00:34:32,169 --> 00:34:27,919
ufology there's a term that has been

808
00:34:35,649 --> 00:34:32,179
kicked around in philosophy called meta

809
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:35,659
modernism and I would say that against

810
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:37,369
we can write it down okay

811
00:34:43,210 --> 00:34:41,510
it's called meta modernism okay and some

812
00:34:46,269 --> 00:34:43,220
people are familiar with the term

813
00:34:48,359 --> 00:34:46,279
modernism as an art and post-modernism

814
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:48,369
as an art and a few other things

815
00:34:52,299 --> 00:34:50,389
philosophers are of the opinion that

816
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:52,309
we've now progressed into what's called

817
00:35:01,420 --> 00:34:58,480
meta modernism so in modernism there are

818
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:01,430
discussions and theories proposed about

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the nature of reality and how art works

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and and people sort of appreciate it and

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they look at at what's been produced by

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who's ever talking about it or producing

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it and they can debate it they can

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discuss it but in general things are

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being discussed as giving a statement

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about what what's going on in

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post-modernism

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what happens is that you look at who is

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doing the the presenting why has

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somebody said such a thing why is that

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particular building shaped like that why

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is that poem structured like that and

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you look at who's saying it did the

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person have a reason as is there a

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political reason why that poem was

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phrased that way why that artwork was

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you know set up outside a post office or

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whatever you know what was the person's

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goal in doing that and it was that you

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know people have some meaning behind

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their theories in meta modernism and

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this is a movement throughout all of art

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comm you're listening to the para cast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio he

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sounds like he's really Blofeld okay

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maybe you're channeling Blofeld I could

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00:41:29,299 --> 00:41:27,239
be channeling Blofeld yeah we might

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actually see a Blofeld in this new James

961
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Bond movie Spectre although nobody has

962
00:41:36,799 --> 00:41:34,650
officially been cast as a character

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named Blofeld but I have a feeling one

964
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of the other characters is revealed as

965
00:41:42,529 --> 00:41:40,739
Blofeld I'm really looking forward to

966
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the next James Bond I'm looking more

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forward to Ashe versus the Living Dead

968
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but that's a you know that's another

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movie some people are looking forward to

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Supergirl on CBS that's true no it's I

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don't know if that's the most popular

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show in terms of pre season buzz and the

973
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social networks in the United States is

974
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the James Bond

975
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no it's Supergirl Oh super oh really yes

976
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huh I think it is is that everybody

977
00:42:13,249 --> 00:42:10,680
likes this girl was playing Supergirl

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but Alissa Benoist I did see the the

979
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teaser trailer the extended one that's

980
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five or ten minutes long it's actually

981
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pretty good I saw the full pilot which

982
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is unofficially available if you look

983
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hard enough and she just owns the role

984
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yeah

985
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she plays you know the nerdy Cara who is

986
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works as an executive assistant or

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something who becomes Supergirl yeah

988
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it's like she owns it she loves being

989
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that person which is why I believe her

990
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and it will be interesting to see how

991
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,299
they incorporate that into the new DC

992
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Universe with flash and an arrow and so

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forth what's produced by the same people

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who produce flash and arrow right and

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they're setting up for you know for the

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big DC Justice League and whatnot that's

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coming up so we'll see

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00:43:01,189 --> 00:42:58,109
he's another comic book nerd do you

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00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:01,199
notice absolutely is there any other

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kind yes everything KK is a comic book

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nerd are you know I like toric son of

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stone my golden key Indians back in the

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day back in the sixties oh I'm a dark

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Savage fan actually you know never did

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that right on TV you know

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is that the guy who played Tarzan Ronnie

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Lee on lame Doc Savage and was a

1008
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perfectly awful movie ya know we can do

1009
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a separate show on that you know we

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00:43:34,310 --> 00:43:32,310
could maybe someday we'll do a separate

1011
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:34,320
thing we do explore pop culture to some

1012
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:36,330
degree on our other radio show the tech

1013
00:43:41,540 --> 00:43:39,330
night our live because technology is so

1014
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much of the forefront so for example in

1015
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these new comic book series from the CW

1016
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and CBS the special effects are really

1017
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well done and that's because the

1018
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technology has reached a point where you

1019
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could do this stuff with a much smaller

1020
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budget for TV and get away with it and

1021
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make it convincing well yeah when you

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think of the advances in in CGI and

1023
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whatnot that are produced in the movies

1024
00:44:09,350 --> 00:44:07,380
it's it's really quite amazing how far

1025
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:09,360
we've advanced I'll give you one example

1026
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,880
we'll get back to UFOs and such in the

1027
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:14,160
Supergirl teasers you see this one scene

1028
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:17,640
where Supergirl falls over the side of

1029
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the building

1030
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:21,390
her friend Wynn is going crazy and a few

1031
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:23,670
seconds later she zooms up into the air

1032
00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:25,650
and comes down to this pinpoint landing

1033
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:28,470
and that is a really well done special

1034
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:30,300
effect obviously it's a mixture of CGI

1035
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:32,490
and somebody sitting there and jumping

1036
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:34,530
into place but the way is done is so

1037
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:36,810
effective take a look at it that's an

1038
00:44:42,020 --> 00:44:39,540
example of really the high grade special

1039
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:42,030
effects but it also means that anybody

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with a decent set of skills and $300 for

1041
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a copy of Final Cut Pro X on a Mac can

1042
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:54,960
create some really marvelous fake UFO

1043
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:57,540
pictures oh yeah I was actually on a

1044
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plane somewhere and somebody was on his

1045
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,900
his laptop sitting next to me and I

1046
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:05,280
don't whether his final cut or whatever

1047
00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:07,800
but he was actually doing a final cut of

1048
00:45:13,310 --> 00:45:11,070
a TV show that he was a producer for or

1049
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,320
a not a producer but uh you know he was

1050
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:16,560
involved in and he was doing the final

1051
00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:20,010
cut on his laptop on a plane and when he

1052
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:22,350
thinks that technology is is out there

1053
00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:26,280
to do that that's just amazing and now

1054
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:28,590
of course the new higher end Mac's can

1055
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:32,460
do 4k video they have five K screen

1056
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:35,130
so you can actually do a native 4k video

1057
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:36,660
and room for all the menu bars and

1058
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:39,540
everything yep it's amazing what we have

1059
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,390
right now do those darn computers what

1060
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:44,640
did Marvin say those those nasty

1061
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:49,050
computers something like that I want to

1062
00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:51,450
ask you something else which taya drifts

1063
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:54,359
away from all these things you don't

1064
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,250
think we've drifted away far enough yet

1065
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:58,800
oh no we're gonna go further we're gonna

1066
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:01,140
go into the stratosphere now I sent you

1067
00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:02,400
this link you probably didn't have a

1068
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,320
chance to read it but last week you had

1069
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:06,180
red pill junky on the show I'm sure you

1070
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:07,290
know him mm-hmm

1071
00:46:11,570 --> 00:46:09,690
yeah he's number gal is a terrific

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00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:11,580
person and I'll give you the background

1073
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of this we mentioned this on after the

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power cast but not on this show we have

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a weekly podcast newsletter and I do

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most of the writing because nobody else

1077
00:46:23,810 --> 00:46:21,869
really wants to do what I do it and

1078
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:23,820
occasionally I ask other people who've

1079
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had Paul Kimball do it we had Stanton

1080
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:28,020
Friedman do it and Chris has done a

1081
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,359
couple and I was intrigued by a theory

1082
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:33,359
that red pill junky had mentioned on her

1083
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show last week where he was talking

1084
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about the similarities between

1085
00:46:44,839 --> 00:46:41,910
near-death experiences and UFO

1086
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,849
abductions the commonalities I said this

1087
00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:47,520
is interesting why don't you write a 900

1088
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:50,670
or thousand word editorial for our next

1089
00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:52,290
newsletter this is on like a Friday

1090
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:56,190
morning at 10 o'clock exactly 25 hours

1091
00:46:59,540 --> 00:46:57,930
later he gives me the manuscript he says

1092
00:47:06,290 --> 00:46:59,550
I'm sorry you know it ran a little bit

1093
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:06,300
over but here it is 4660 words yeah I

1094
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,980
actually did read it what do you think I

1095
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:09,599
am anyway

1096
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:13,520
it's a it's an interesting document I I

1097
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:15,960
agree that there are similarities he's

1098
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:21,260
done a great job great post I have some

1099
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:24,450
issues great I addressed a little bit of

1100
00:47:31,099 --> 00:47:27,570
this in my own book abductions and

1101
00:47:33,070 --> 00:47:31,109
aliens available on Amazon where I

1102
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:33,080
looked at all the various theories about

1103
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:35,339
abductions and what they might represent

1104
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:38,040
I did touch on some near-death

1105
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:41,250
experiences at one point somebody I mean

1106
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,140
there's there are similarities you know

1107
00:47:47,890 --> 00:47:45,200
you know where the

1108
00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:47,900
witness or abductee or the the person

1109
00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:50,270
that and the experience is you know in a

1110
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:52,670
dreamlike state and so forth

1111
00:47:57,970 --> 00:47:54,890
certain other aspects the one that got

1112
00:48:00,789 --> 00:47:57,980
me was the subject is submitted to

1113
00:48:02,890 --> 00:48:00,799
examination this is about the review of

1114
00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:02,900
life and in near-death experiences it's

1115
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:06,200
uh the review of of one's life is the

1116
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:09,190
examination of one's life but abductees

1117
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:13,150
don't report that necessarily as real

1118
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:15,770
examination where you know the the anal

1119
00:48:19,059 --> 00:48:17,569
probes and all of that sort of stuff and

1120
00:48:21,309 --> 00:48:19,069
I think there's a enough of a

1121
00:48:24,579 --> 00:48:21,319
dissimilarity there to say well maybe

1122
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:24,589
this isn't quite the same thing and I I

1123
00:48:31,150 --> 00:48:28,420
guess I say that for a lot of the

1124
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:31,160
similarities there are some tweaks that

1125
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:33,049
you have to do to say that they they

1126
00:48:38,140 --> 00:48:36,410
really are related like that I would say

1127
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:38,150
there's the commonalities are that a lot

1128
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:41,839
of the abductions and near that

1129
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:43,609
near-death experiences are certainly

1130
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:45,710
more related to dreamlike states in

1131
00:48:52,299 --> 00:48:49,490
general in other words they're they seem

1132
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:52,309
to have a lot of common to dreams rather

1133
00:48:57,490 --> 00:48:54,710
than to each other and so if you think

1134
00:48:58,510 --> 00:48:57,500
that there is a relationship there I

1135
00:49:03,760 --> 00:48:58,520
think that's where the relationship

1136
00:49:06,359 --> 00:49:03,770
really is but I think that his list I

1137
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:06,369
don't know how many 15 or 20

1138
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:08,569
commonalities is is a good one to start

1139
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:12,200
the discussions on I think it's you know

1140
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:14,510
they're it's fudging a bit to say that

1141
00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:16,130
they're almost identical but there's

1142
00:49:21,339 --> 00:49:18,200
certainly some commonalities there that

1143
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:21,349
make one think that you know there is

1144
00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:25,130
some relationship the whole anal probe

1145
00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:26,750
thing though is not duplicated in

1146
00:49:31,089 --> 00:49:29,030
near-death experiences and if it is we

1147
00:49:38,589 --> 00:49:31,099
know which direction the particular

1148
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,599
individuals that's one example I mean

1149
00:49:42,789 --> 00:49:39,680
there's there certainly some other

1150
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:42,799
things you know the subject is taken to

1151
00:49:48,190 --> 00:49:46,250
an unfamiliar environment well I mean a

1152
00:49:50,410 --> 00:49:48,200
near-death experiences there's it's the

1153
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:50,420
old tunnel of white or whatever there

1154
00:49:54,819 --> 00:49:52,010
the tunnel it leads to the white light

1155
00:49:56,799 --> 00:49:54,829
and that type of thing whereas abductees

1156
00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:56,809
certainly they're taken on board you

1157
00:50:00,099 --> 00:49:58,220
know I have some say they're a space

1158
00:50:03,010 --> 00:50:00,109
craft but they describe their spacecraft

1159
00:50:05,230 --> 00:50:03,020
as spacecraft or and there's very

1160
00:50:08,140 --> 00:50:05,240
detailed descriptions of where they are

1161
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,150
and what the you know if they're taken

1162
00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:09,920
on board and then end up somewhere their

1163
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:11,960
descriptions of where they are in terms

1164
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:14,480
of this craft or the location and in

1165
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:15,530
physical reality

1166
00:50:22,030 --> 00:50:18,410
what the aliens look like and that's to

1167
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:22,040
me quite a different phenomenon than the

1168
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,050
the tunnel leading to the to the white

1169
00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:26,720
light that type of thing so again there

1170
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:28,190
certainly are some commonalities there

1171
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:31,190
but I wouldn't say you know enough for

1172
00:50:36,839 --> 00:50:33,490
me to say that they are probably related

1173
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:36,849
well that that's a good place for me to

1174
00:50:43,420 --> 00:50:39,650
kind of start in go we have quite a few

1175
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:43,430
questions for you on our format form dr.

1176
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:45,650
Perik asked ah more listeners get a

1177
00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:48,410
chance to ask questions of our esteemed

1178
00:50:52,660 --> 00:50:50,840
guests and a fellow Canadian ufology

1179
00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:52,670
Randall and in Calgary has a question

1180
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:55,190
for him and he's wondering what is your

1181
00:51:00,670 --> 00:50:56,720
general impression of the public's

1182
00:51:02,620 --> 00:51:00,680
current acceptance or lack thereof to

1183
00:51:04,570 --> 00:51:02,630
alien visitation compared to other times

1184
00:51:06,609 --> 00:51:04,580
in history do you see any trends of any

1185
00:51:09,339 --> 00:51:06,619
kind right now let's have them do that

1186
00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:09,349
answer in our next segment okay this way

1187
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:11,780
we can just wrap this up and progress a

1188
00:51:18,310 --> 00:51:16,070
reminder to be able to download after

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the power cast our second radio show you

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1243
00:54:14,460 --> 00:54:12,010
here's Jane Steinberg Cris Rutkowski

1244
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:14,470
joins us this week and we had a question

1245
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:18,130
from Randall ufology on the table and we

1246
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,270
have other questions from our listeners

1247
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:21,520
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1248
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1249
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:25,270
where you can ask those questions Chris

1250
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:27,970
what's your response are does the public

1251
00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:29,530
seem to be accepting

1252
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:31,630
alien visitations now as opposed to

1253
00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:34,990
other times in history I would say boy

1254
00:54:40,530 --> 00:54:38,320
you know in the 50s the contactee

1255
00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:40,540
phenomenon was really really big and

1256
00:54:45,810 --> 00:54:42,220
they had a lot of following that's when

1257
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:45,820
giant rock was really in its in its real

1258
00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:49,570
heyday that you know people were talking

1259
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,700
about visiting visiting Venus and it was

1260
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:53,200
sort of accepted that you know yeah

1261
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:55,330
contactees are visiting Venus and this

1262
00:54:59,160 --> 00:54:57,490
was when Adamski was getting close-up

1263
00:55:01,920 --> 00:54:59,170
photographs of flying saucers and

1264
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:01,930
whatnot and and I was you know really

1265
00:55:06,060 --> 00:55:03,430
well accepted in fact that's where the

1266
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:06,070
current ideas of aliens and flying

1267
00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:09,490
saucers really came from and that's how

1268
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:11,350
you know the fanciful notions really

1269
00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:13,390
developed during that time and they were

1270
00:55:21,090 --> 00:55:15,940
still suffering because of a lot of that

1271
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:21,100
right now and now I mean we have you

1272
00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:22,330
know that I would argue that the

1273
00:55:26,849 --> 00:55:24,790
abductee phenomenon has morphed back

1274
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:26,859
into contactee ism where people are

1275
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:29,830
talking about contact with aliens who

1276
00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:33,240
are and walking into bodies and

1277
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:35,500
telepathically talking to us where

1278
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:36,609
there's a lot of channeling of

1279
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:38,050
information the channeling has been

1280
00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:40,510
going on for quite some time over the

1281
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:42,940
past 75 years but it seems to be really

1282
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:46,650
accepted now I would say that overall

1283
00:55:50,490 --> 00:55:49,090
again because of this meta modernism

1284
00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:50,500
that I sort of started talking about

1285
00:55:56,250 --> 00:55:52,540
there's an acceptance that anything goes

1286
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:56,260
that the alien visitations of contactees

1287
00:56:01,590 --> 00:55:59,950
are as good as more nuts-and-bolts UFO

1288
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:01,600
sightings in fact some writers are

1289
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:04,090
saying we don't even need the to record

1290
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,830
UFO sightings anymore because we have

1291
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:07,359
the testimony of abductees and

1292
00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:09,150
contactees that

1293
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,400
aliens are really here so I would say in

1294
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:14,400
pop culture perhaps alien visitation is

1295
00:56:20,089 --> 00:56:18,240
sort of assumed whereas during a period

1296
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:20,099
let's say between the 60s to the 80s

1297
00:56:25,460 --> 00:56:22,920
there was an attempt to do more and not

1298
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:25,470
some bolts ufology but also during that

1299
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,020
time we sort of got the the John keel

1300
00:56:32,809 --> 00:56:30,480
Jacques Vallee period of ultra

1301
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:32,819
terrestrials - so I certainly think it's

1302
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:36,089
gone through some waves and I don't see

1303
00:56:41,059 --> 00:56:38,910
any particular trend other than the meta

1304
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:41,069
meta modernistic view of ufology right

1305
00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:42,930
now is that that anything goes anyone

1306
00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:45,829
can can say and be an expert on anything

1307
00:56:51,019 --> 00:56:49,079
because who's gonna contest it what do

1308
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:51,029
you think of about these recent articles

1309
00:56:56,180 --> 00:56:53,970
that have come out touting scientists at

1310
00:56:58,190 --> 00:56:56,190
the university of california coming up

1311
00:57:00,019 --> 00:56:58,200
with a hypothesis that suggests that

1312
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:00,029
space aliens have long settled on earth

1313
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:01,890
and actually are living among us as

1314
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:05,930
observers I guess this this movement

1315
00:57:12,260 --> 00:57:10,740
began around 2000 was in the whole thing

1316
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:12,270
was spearheaded by the work of Professor

1317
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,450
Jonathan Malcolm what do you think of

1318
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:18,240
that well it actually goes back much

1319
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,410
further than that stranger at the

1320
00:57:24,589 --> 00:57:21,599
Pentagon was written back in though well

1321
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:24,599
true Frank Strange's yeah 60s or

1322
00:57:28,690 --> 00:57:26,460
something yeah I mean that that's been

1323
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:28,700
going around for quite some time now

1324
00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:30,930
yeah but scientists haven't gotten

1325
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:32,940
together and and and put the you know

1326
00:57:37,609 --> 00:57:36,480
name on a theory like this that's fairly

1327
00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:37,619
unusual

1328
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:42,660
well yes no I mean certainly scientists

1329
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,000
and people and professional standing and

1330
00:57:48,410 --> 00:57:46,799
good standing and making claims for

1331
00:57:51,620 --> 00:57:48,420
quite some time I mean Edgar Mitchell

1332
00:57:53,779 --> 00:57:51,630
just made the news again recently why

1333
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:53,789
because of something very similar that

1334
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:55,650
you know he has insight sources who told

1335
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,940
him that the aliens really are here and

1336
00:58:00,650 --> 00:57:58,319
prevented Earth from turning into

1337
00:58:02,269 --> 00:58:00,660
nuclear war and whatever but you know

1338
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:02,279
he's just listening to whoever's telling

1339
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,569
them these things and it could be

1340
00:58:07,940 --> 00:58:06,000
anybody the other question is here are

1341
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:07,950
they telling the people in the US

1342
00:58:15,319 --> 00:58:11,130
Congress to approve the deal with Iran

1343
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:15,329
over nuclear weapons yeah exactly

1344
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:18,119
yeah who's telling them that exactly it

1345
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:19,619
appears that someone's telling them not

1346
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:22,799
to approve the deal yeah well I mean

1347
00:58:26,419 --> 00:58:24,420
there's certainly factions all over the

1348
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:26,429
place that you know people are claiming

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to be experts in you know politics

1350
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:32,099
democracy and and the Middle East and

1351
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:35,160
they're tying it all into ufology I mean

1352
00:58:39,469 --> 00:58:36,689
there's a there's a lot of reasons for

1353
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:39,479
that because people are getting a little

1354
00:58:44,839 --> 00:58:41,729
more I don't know personally interested

1355
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,849
they're becoming more activist they're

1356
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:46,799
concerned about what's happening all

1357
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,420
around the world they're concerned about

1358
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:49,920
climate change they're concerned

1359
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:53,130
personally about violence and a nuclear

1360
00:59:00,229 --> 00:58:57,119
war and and Isis and and everything and

1361
00:59:02,749 --> 00:59:00,239
they they really want to do something

1362
00:59:05,029 --> 00:59:02,759
and feeling powerless about it so they

1363
00:59:07,579 --> 00:59:05,039
actually are lobbying governments and

1364
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:07,589
they will do anything to get the ear of

1365
00:59:10,969 --> 00:59:09,569
government representatives and there are

1366
00:59:13,370 --> 00:59:10,979
a number of government representatives

1367
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,380
who are sympathetic to to the UFO

1368
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:15,119
question you know one can point to John

1369
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:18,089
Podesta for example and and others so I

1370
00:59:24,410 --> 00:59:20,609
think it's it's an interesting way of

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00:59:27,979 --> 00:59:24,420
getting people in positions of power to

1372
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take notice of some of the more fanciful

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ideas because they're you know what the

1374
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you know when you pull away all the the

1375
00:59:38,949 --> 00:59:37,019
nonsense there is a serious aspect to

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00:59:40,999 --> 00:59:38,959
this you know we we should stop

1377
00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:41,009
proliferation of nuclear weapons we

1378
00:59:46,699 --> 00:59:43,049
should you know try and get some control

1379
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:46,709
on you know a little more resolving

1380
00:59:50,569 --> 00:59:48,900
conflict and that type of thing and if

1381
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:50,579
the reason is because you know if we

1382
00:59:55,219 --> 00:59:52,170
ever do go into space what would aliens

1383
00:59:57,620 --> 00:59:55,229
think I mean there's there's some

1384
01:00:00,109 --> 00:59:57,630
serious implications here so it is

1385
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important to do that and you know

1386
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whether it's because the aliens are out

1387
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:03,749
there and don't want us to you know join

1388
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:05,729
the Galactic club without resolving it

1389
01:00:12,979 --> 01:00:08,910
or simply to you know keep the human

1390
01:00:15,319 --> 01:00:12,989
race from you know not blowing itself up

1391
01:00:17,419 --> 01:00:15,329
there are some good reasons for doing

1392
01:00:19,489 --> 01:00:17,429
that and I wouldn't be surprised if this

1393
01:00:22,489 --> 01:00:19,499
continues you know more and more

1394
01:00:24,769 --> 01:00:22,499
well the emphasis has been especially in

1395
01:00:26,779 --> 01:00:24,779
the past ten years but certainly back to

1396
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the days of the Vietnam War where if

1397
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there's a problem we send troops out to

1398
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fight that problem rather than resolve

1399
01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:33,509
it in some diplomatic way at the end of

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the day they always make it worse not

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just the troops to hook

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Hildur the troops who were injured but

1403
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all the side effects this is why we have

1404
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:43,050
all the big argument right now over Isis

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being an artifact of what we created

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when we went to war with Iraq an

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undeclared war against the country that

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had no intent of attacking us we can

1409
01:00:59,210 --> 01:00:56,550
argue the basis for that war one way or

1410
01:01:02,300 --> 01:00:59,220
the other but changing that philosophy

1411
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instead of going to war going to talk

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and seeing how that works for a change

1413
01:01:08,890 --> 01:01:06,840
to certainly help but we can't say that

1414
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:08,900
et is pushing us in that direction

1415
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:10,770
although at the end of the day if we

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don't get together there's not going to

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be an earth to visit true oddly enough

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01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:22,970
tomorrow I'm speaking at a premiere of a

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360-degree film by rod Roddenberry I

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guess Roddenberry son by a son yes yeah

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by the by the I guess is the foundation

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or whatever it's called White Room and

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it's a thriller and I'll give a spoiler

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because it has to do with our humans

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really ready to join the Galactic Club

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or not are we too bent on violence and

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conflict or are we you know

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leaning towards rational discussion and

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resolution so is that a rhetorical

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question or that's that's the premise of

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the film that's premiered tomorrow I've

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actually already seen it and yeah I

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don't want to give too much away but

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that's the theme well if anybody thinks

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we're ready to join the galactic

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neighborhood I'm not sure I think I

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think we're probably locked in our

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little sandbox here and we've got to

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learn to play played nicely with each

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other before we're gonna be allowed to

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you know get out there and you know

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commingle with the rest of the galactic

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neighborhood right and of course that

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was the theme of the contactees of the

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50s to you know stop nuclear war love

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each other put down your weapons you

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know be nice to the environment and all

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that sort of stuff and that's being echo

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now sixty years later by the present-day

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abductees and that's why I'm not all

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that impressed with a lot what's a lot

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of what's going on in abduction research

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right now because it's the same rhetoric

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that I've heard for many decades now and

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by the way the thing that always reminds

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me of the movie The Day the Earth Stood

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Still the original version 1951 where

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Klaatu et comes down here and says get

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your acts together earth people or we'll

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take you down yeah and that message was

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to steal Demong the contactees of the

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contact these were very very heavily

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influenced by that film even to the

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silvery uniform worn by the tall godlike

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alien beings Michael Rennie godlike

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and related research abductions the

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presents to us of peace and brotherhood

1579
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but it would seem to me here that if et

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is all-powerful I can get here from two

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thousand light-years away or whatever

1582
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:48,990
can't they enforce peace upon us if it's

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really something that's going to

1584
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endanger this planet if they care well I

1585
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have no idea in fact that this is a one

1586
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of the biggest themes in ufology and

1587
01:09:02,059 --> 01:09:00,390
science fiction alike what is the intent

1588
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:02,069
of aliens if some of them are out there

1589
01:09:06,559 --> 01:09:05,160
at all I mean do we really have a prime

1590
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directive where you're not supposed to

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interfere and if you're not supposed to

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interfere then what do you make of

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abductions and showing yourselves you

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know as your dig up lavender fields in

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France and whatnot I mean there's

1596
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there's a whole series of questions

1597
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around that I mean are we you know

1598
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anthropological experiments from Zeta

1599
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Reticuli from from grad students or are

1600
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we you know really interpreting things

1601
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purely through a terrestrial lens that

1602
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we're really misinterpreting what's

1603
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really going on and and I don't know I

1604
01:09:45,710 --> 01:09:42,029
mean I would have no idea what the

1605
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intent of of aliens really might be

1606
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because by definition they're alien one

1607
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would think that there would be some

1608
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desire for self-preservation on the on

1609
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the side of alien so that would argue

1610
01:09:59,419 --> 01:09:57,179
against contact

1611
01:10:03,259 --> 01:09:59,429
exploration well if you've got come here

1612
01:10:05,529 --> 01:10:03,269
from out there one would assume that you

1613
01:10:09,799 --> 01:10:05,539
know you could do it remotely using

1614
01:10:12,589 --> 01:10:09,809
robots and whatnot so you know we do

1615
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:12,599
would we necessarily need direct contact

1616
01:10:18,140 --> 01:10:16,320
I don't see how I mean aliens working

1617
01:10:20,899 --> 01:10:18,150
within our government or you know in

1618
01:10:23,629 --> 01:10:20,909
secret bases that sounds a lot like what

1619
01:10:26,089 --> 01:10:23,639
we see in Star Trek episodes and so

1620
01:10:27,949 --> 01:10:26,099
forth so it doesn't it sounds more like

1621
01:10:29,989 --> 01:10:27,959
a terrestrial interpretation of what

1622
01:10:33,169 --> 01:10:29,999
aliens might be thinking like or acting

1623
01:10:34,580 --> 01:10:33,179
like I don't know what an alien would be

1624
01:10:37,009 --> 01:10:34,590
like because I haven't met one yet

1625
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:37,019
although some of the people I work with

1626
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:40,409
know that's that's nice I always like

1627
01:10:44,089 --> 01:10:42,570
terence mckenna's idea that if aliens

1628
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:44,099
were actually here they probably was

1629
01:10:49,989 --> 01:10:46,650
with hide within the spores of a

1630
01:10:52,279 --> 01:10:49,999
cubensis mushroom and and over you know

1631
01:10:57,379 --> 01:10:52,289
thousands and tens of thousands of years

1632
01:10:59,839 --> 01:10:57,389
slowly helped sort of micromanage in

1633
01:11:03,199 --> 01:10:59,849
some sense of the word but managed the

1634
01:11:05,899 --> 01:11:03,209
growth of our brains and the instilling

1635
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,909
you know psychedelic experiences to help

1636
01:11:10,759 --> 01:11:07,920
expand our conscious and our awareness

1637
01:11:12,649 --> 01:11:10,769
and that if there was any aliens on the

1638
01:11:13,759 --> 01:11:12,659
planet according to McKenna that that

1639
01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:13,769
would be the way that they would try to

1640
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:15,689
influence us as opposed to coming down

1641
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:18,510
and not having spacesuits on and you

1642
01:11:23,029 --> 01:11:20,249
know and asking to take me to your

1643
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:23,039
leader that sort of outmoded 50s of

1644
01:11:29,149 --> 01:11:27,209
style and a very new agey style now that

1645
01:11:31,009 --> 01:11:29,159
sort of inclination of people to think

1646
01:11:32,810 --> 01:11:31,019
that that's got to be the way that you

1647
01:11:34,939 --> 01:11:32,820
know this sort of contact is going to

1648
01:11:38,449 --> 01:11:34,949
take place you know just go to Project

1649
01:11:41,169 --> 01:11:38,459
Camelot or to Alfred Weber's Exopolitics

1650
01:11:43,549 --> 01:11:41,179
website and read about the latest

1651
01:11:46,419 --> 01:11:43,559
whistleblower who's come forward with

1652
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,429
the latest project sir post type story

1653
01:11:52,189 --> 01:11:49,920
to me it is so ludicrous what people and

1654
01:11:54,739 --> 01:11:52,199
millions of people are buying into this

1655
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,749
it's it's really frightening to me that

1656
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:56,400
people have you know what's the term

1657
01:12:00,979 --> 01:11:58,650
they've they suspended their disbelief I

1658
01:12:03,339 --> 01:12:00,989
mean it conforms with their hopes wishes

1659
01:12:06,049 --> 01:12:03,349
and aspirations or or fears and paranoia

1660
01:12:08,569 --> 01:12:06,059
depending on the bent you just have a

1661
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:08,579
complete lack of I don't know just fully

1662
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:10,320
conscious objective

1663
01:12:16,399 --> 01:12:14,159
rational thinking well like I said meta

1664
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:16,409
modernism that's you know anything goes

1665
01:12:20,839 --> 01:12:19,440
and it's being accepted well that's one

1666
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,849
of the problems we have of course with

1667
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,800
journalism today we assume there are

1668
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:24,719
always two sides that are treated

1669
01:12:29,839 --> 01:12:27,449
equally so if we get one story we have

1670
01:12:32,209 --> 01:12:29,849
to go to the other side and their story

1671
01:12:33,919 --> 01:12:32,219
may be total nonsense obvious nonsense

1672
01:12:36,379 --> 01:12:33,929
what we have to take it anyway and give

1673
01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:36,389
it a quill wait yeah that that's

1674
01:12:42,169 --> 01:12:39,420
absolutely true and there are situations

1675
01:12:44,780 --> 01:12:42,179
of course where there are there may be

1676
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:44,790
two sides to the story but one side is

1677
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:50,880
less credible in the case of a violent

1678
01:12:56,270 --> 01:12:54,570
incident you know let's say a rape or

1679
01:12:59,089 --> 01:12:56,280
something like that you know there are

1680
01:13:02,450 --> 01:12:59,099
two sides to that because there's two

1681
01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:02,460
persons involved but one is a violent

1682
01:13:07,879 --> 01:13:05,480
act perpetuated on another person and

1683
01:13:10,129 --> 01:13:07,889
you know one is clearly in the wrong and

1684
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:10,139
and regardless of circumstances you know

1685
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:13,770
that is simply inexcusable so she wanted

1686
01:13:18,740 --> 01:13:16,290
it I swear to God she wanted it yeah

1687
01:13:20,660 --> 01:13:18,750
there are two sides but you know do you

1688
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:20,670
really want to hear the other side well

1689
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:22,650
we have a certain cable TV network in

1690
01:13:27,649 --> 01:13:24,329
the u.s. that will frequently try to

1691
01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:27,659
present the possibility that the female

1692
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:30,540
of the species faked it it didn't really

1693
01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:33,780
happen she faked it or again she wanted

1694
01:13:38,770 --> 01:13:35,880
it she deliberately tried to get that

1695
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:38,780
guy in trouble yeah well you know it's

1696
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:42,239
again it's it's it's what is you know

1697
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:45,570
why this spin actually exists and

1698
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:47,940
certainly lawyers can use this to their

1699
01:13:53,810 --> 01:13:51,090
advantage and and yes we are getting a

1700
01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:53,820
little away from the UFO question but it

1701
01:13:58,939 --> 01:13:56,760
is true that you know in ufology

1702
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,949
anything goes and people can come up

1703
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:01,440
with some very outlandish explanations

1704
01:14:09,050 --> 01:14:05,360
and nobody's challenging them because

1705
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:09,060
sometimes it takes too much effort to

1706
01:14:14,089 --> 01:14:11,489
contradict or to to come up with

1707
01:14:16,399 --> 01:14:14,099
explanations and sometimes it just leads

1708
01:14:19,850 --> 01:14:16,409
you down paths that you really don't

1709
01:14:22,150 --> 01:14:19,860
need to go down and and it really can

1710
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:22,160
cause a lot of problems

1711
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:24,570
this may be a good place to go into a

1712
01:14:29,690 --> 01:14:27,330
question from one of our posters that

1713
01:14:31,850 --> 01:14:29,700
form dr. Peric ascom we're at the

1714
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:31,860
question Bank you can ask questions of

1715
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:33,690
our guests and this comes from century

1716
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:36,930
long time poster let me just explain to

1717
01:14:42,290 --> 01:14:40,650
our listeners that's Kurt Collins yes he

1718
01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:42,300
doesn't ask many questions but when he

1719
01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:44,580
does they're good ones okay and he has

1720
01:14:48,580 --> 01:14:47,460
more likes than he has post so that's

1721
01:14:51,170 --> 01:14:48,590
always a good sign

1722
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,180
most paranormal encounters from Bigfoot

1723
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:53,520
to religious aberrations leave us with

1724
01:14:58,670 --> 01:14:56,460
nothing but quote unquote sightings some

1725
01:15:00,980 --> 01:14:58,680
suggest these experiences share a common

1726
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:00,990
stimulus or trigger but are interpreted

1727
01:15:06,980 --> 01:15:03,600
differently by each individual if most

1728
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:06,990
of it is in our heads what do you think

1729
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:08,340
is putting it there

1730
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:11,040
we have been free response we can

1731
01:15:15,860 --> 01:15:14,010
continue the next segment go ahead sure

1732
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:15,870
I mean Kurt's asked a really good

1733
01:15:20,540 --> 01:15:17,610
question there and it goes back to what

1734
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:20,550
meg well had asked originally that you

1735
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:22,110
know you know is there are there

1736
01:15:25,850 --> 01:15:24,210
commonalities are these commonalities

1737
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:25,860
based in something else

1738
01:15:31,970 --> 01:15:29,760
I think the human mind is you know

1739
01:15:34,130 --> 01:15:31,980
capable of a lot of interesting things

1740
01:15:36,230 --> 01:15:34,140
and I think it certainly is capable of

1741
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:36,240
generating images that can be

1742
01:15:41,090 --> 01:15:37,770
interpreted in so many ways by different

1743
01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:41,100
people I think that that human

1744
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,380
creativity is really underrated I think

1745
01:15:48,380 --> 01:15:45,840
you know people have come up with some

1746
01:15:49,820 --> 01:15:48,390
really fantastic wild ideas Einstein's

1747
01:15:52,990 --> 01:15:49,830
are out there all over the place they

1748
01:15:57,020 --> 01:15:53,000
just have to be realized and tapped into

1749
01:15:59,690 --> 01:15:57,030
so I think that the triggers and the

1750
01:16:01,970 --> 01:15:59,700
stimuli can produce different things but

1751
01:16:04,370 --> 01:16:01,980
you know if something leaves behind hard

1752
01:16:07,190 --> 01:16:04,380
evidence those are what we're looking

1753
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,200
for and whether it's Bigfoot

1754
01:16:12,650 --> 01:16:10,320
or or you know a religious visitation or

1755
01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:12,660
UFO is I think those are what we have to

1756
01:16:16,610 --> 01:16:14,580
concentrate on but what's putting it

1757
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:16,620
there in the you know in the original

1758
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:18,840
form well Persinger would say it's

1759
01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:21,690
caused by electromagnetic radiation

1760
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:24,150
you know ufologist might say it's aliens

1761
01:16:29,570 --> 01:16:27,060
religious apparition we'll find out what

1762
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:29,580
the other answer is in a moment Chris

1763
01:16:33,260 --> 01:16:32,310
Bukowski is here with Gene and KK you're

1764
01:16:40,660 --> 01:16:33,270
in

1765
01:16:42,230 --> 01:16:40,670
a little right laugh boys

1766
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:42,240
independent-minded

1767
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:45,930
the genesis communications network GC

1768
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:49,410
and this is dan pilla do you owe the IRS

1769
01:16:53,390 --> 01:16:51,450
money you can't pay our tax debts

1770
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:53,400
crippling you I've defended people from

1771
01:16:57,260 --> 01:16:55,710
the IRS for over 30 years I've helped

1772
01:16:59,090 --> 01:16:57,270
thousands and I can help you too

1773
01:17:00,800 --> 01:16:59,100
I wrote the book on IRS settlement and

1774
01:17:04,250 --> 01:17:00,810
I'm telling you there's no such thing as

1775
01:17:06,230 --> 01:17:04,260
a hopeless case call 834 no tax to

1776
01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:06,240
finally get free of IRS debt with the

1777
01:17:09,620 --> 01:17:08,100
IRS as new programs there's never been a

1778
01:17:14,210 --> 01:17:09,630
better time to solve your problem

1779
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:14,220
call 834 no tax that's 834 no tax or my

1780
01:17:42,500 --> 01:17:40,050
website call 802 eight seven seven one

1781
01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:42,510
eight zero again that's 802 eight seven

1782
01:17:49,790 --> 01:17:44,940
seven one eight zero 802 eight seven

1783
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:49,800
seven one eight zero making the right

1784
01:17:53,660 --> 01:17:51,930
decisions is a challenge to investors

1785
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:53,670
are we going to see economic growth

1786
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:55,380
slide into a recession or at worst

1787
01:17:59,690 --> 01:17:57,570
depression hi Ted Anderson fremitus

1788
01:18:01,940 --> 01:17:59,700
resources we all know when a company

1789
01:18:03,620 --> 01:18:01,950
actually responsibly divesting ourselves

1790
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:03,630
and a move towards safety is prudent

1791
01:18:07,580 --> 01:18:05,490
when the market becomes volatile US

1792
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:07,590
Treasuries are a safe haven but what do

1793
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:09,210
you do when the US government over

1794
01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:11,340
extends itself and spends beyond its

1795
01:18:15,500 --> 01:18:13,380
means many investors are turning toward

1796
01:18:17,660 --> 01:18:15,510
gold is a common-sense alternative to

1797
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:17,670
traditional paper investments Midas

1798
01:18:21,170 --> 01:18:19,470
resources has put together a powerful

1799
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1800
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:23,490
discussing costs benefits risks

1801
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:24,930
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1802
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weights and measures the book is free

1803
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1804
01:18:54,710 --> 01:18:52,590
waiting while you tried to ignore us

1805
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waiting while you acted like we didn't

1806
01:19:01,070 --> 01:18:57,240
exist waiting for our chance to be taken

1807
01:19:03,770 --> 01:19:01,080
seriously the wait is over GCN is

1808
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1813
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1814
01:19:21,620 --> 01:19:19,530
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1815
01:19:23,180 --> 01:19:21,630
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1816
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:23,190
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1817
01:19:26,060 --> 01:19:25,050
than carding to a private bank having it

1818
01:19:27,860 --> 01:19:26,070
led back at interest

1819
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:27,870
forcing taxes to service debt this

1820
01:19:31,190 --> 01:19:29,730
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1821
01:19:32,810 --> 01:19:31,200
stating a central bank issuing the

1822
01:19:33,950 --> 01:19:32,820
public currency is a greater menace to

1823
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:33,960
the liberties of the people than a

1824
01:19:37,130 --> 01:19:35,730
standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

1825
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:37,140
placing a silver dollar in a book

1826
01:19:42,620 --> 01:19:39,300
explains our monetary system call for

1827
01:19:45,710 --> 01:19:42,630
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

1828
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:45,720
understand the system call 866 to 237

1829
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:49,410
that's 800 686 to 237 you pick up the

1830
01:19:52,940 --> 01:19:51,150
receiver with your heart racing and

1831
01:19:54,650 --> 01:19:52,950
sweat dripping from your forehead you

1832
01:19:56,060 --> 01:19:54,660
finally muster the courage to dial the

1833
01:20:00,080 --> 01:19:56,070
number to call into your favorite talk

1834
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:00,090
radio show it was twice and there gzn

1835
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,650
what's your name and Mistie you calling

1836
01:20:05,630 --> 01:20:03,360
from surprised you got through you

1837
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:05,640
squeak out Jason from Minnesota please

1838
01:20:07,790 --> 01:20:06,000
hold

1839
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:07,800
as you patiently wait for your turn you

1840
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:09,780
begin to daydream about being a famous

1841
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:12,170
talk radio host and where would be like

1842
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:15,920
wrong show minnesota millions of loyal

1843
01:20:19,810 --> 01:20:18,170
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1844
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:19,820
talk to you caller are you there

1845
01:20:23,730 --> 01:20:22,130
cheering crowd surrounds you calling out

1846
01:20:24,959 --> 01:20:23,740
your name

1847
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:24,969
[Applause]

1848
01:20:33,090 --> 01:20:28,210
going once twice okay we gotta move on

1849
01:20:34,260 --> 01:20:33,100
to the next caller get around with the

1850
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:34,270
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1851
01:20:39,090 --> 01:20:37,330
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1853
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:41,230
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01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:43,210
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1855
01:20:55,020 --> 01:20:46,330
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1856
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1857
01:20:59,770 --> 01:20:57,699
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1858
01:21:06,800 --> 01:20:59,780
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1859
01:21:09,630 --> 01:21:06,810
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1860
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:09,640
okay Chris furred Kowski would you

1861
01:21:14,460 --> 01:21:12,370
continue your answer please sure the

1862
01:21:15,870 --> 01:21:14,470
third one would be that someone from a

1863
01:21:18,270 --> 01:21:15,880
religious bent would interpret it as a

1864
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:18,280
spiritual intervention of some sort

1865
01:21:23,220 --> 01:21:21,130
you know possibly manifesting no

1866
01:21:25,220 --> 01:21:23,230
bleeding crucifixes and and all that

1867
01:21:28,710 --> 01:21:25,230
sort of things so you know there's some

1868
01:21:31,410 --> 01:21:28,720
attempt to get some documentation and

1869
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:31,420
some physical evidence regarding some of

1870
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:33,010
these things but there always is some

1871
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:35,290
sort of physical stimulus as well so

1872
01:21:40,110 --> 01:21:37,810
there there is always a physical stimuli

1873
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:40,120
its our minds that interpret them in one

1874
01:21:45,420 --> 01:21:41,920
way or another and whether they're UFOs

1875
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:45,430
or aliens or a religious apparition it

1876
01:21:50,460 --> 01:21:47,410
really depends on the person's viewpoint

1877
01:21:53,730 --> 01:21:50,470
what gets really confusing is when an

1878
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:53,740
abductee or contactee is very religious

1879
01:21:58,770 --> 01:21:56,890
and then will interpret what is

1880
01:22:01,380 --> 01:21:58,780
ostensibly an abduction experience as a

1881
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:01,390
religious experience and the opposite

1882
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:04,090
sometimes occurs as well so it's

1883
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:06,910
interesting to get these crossovers but

1884
01:22:12,090 --> 01:22:09,010
the ultimate question is did it

1885
01:22:15,690 --> 01:22:12,100
physically really happen or is it

1886
01:22:16,980 --> 01:22:15,700
happening you know only in the mind in

1887
01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:16,990
the sense that there was a very prosaic

1888
01:22:21,690 --> 01:22:19,630
event you know a coincidence of some

1889
01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:21,700
sort the Apple falling from the tree and

1890
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:25,800
interpreted as caused by aliens

1891
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:28,960
Jesus or a Bigfoot well the question

1892
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:31,600
would be then is that interpretation

1893
01:22:39,390 --> 01:22:36,340
Bigfoot the ghosts et whatever that's

1894
01:22:41,190 --> 01:22:39,400
our take on it that is our take on it

1895
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:41,200
the question I would still say but did

1896
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,270
it really happen at all you know that

1897
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:45,520
gets into the real nitty-gritty did the

1898
01:22:49,230 --> 01:22:47,650
Apple really fall was it always on the

1899
01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:49,240
ground and we only thought that it fell

1900
01:22:53,730 --> 01:22:51,340
there's a lot of ways that you can

1901
01:22:54,990 --> 01:22:53,740
dissect this and it's not debunking in

1902
01:22:57,330 --> 01:22:55,000
the sense we just want to know what

1903
01:22:59,490 --> 01:22:57,340
really happened and that though some of

1904
01:23:02,430 --> 01:22:59,500
those questions are very very tricky and

1905
01:23:04,010 --> 01:23:02,440
can be very uncomfortable now this is

1906
01:23:06,990 --> 01:23:04,020
interesting here I've just noticing

1907
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:07,000
something on your site ufology research

1908
01:23:14,130 --> 01:23:09,970
okay what are the good questions in

1909
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:14,140
ufology I'm going to read one okay you

1910
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:15,730
explain where this comes from just go

1911
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:16,570
read the last one

1912
01:23:22,410 --> 01:23:19,840
41 okay his Nick Redfern actually an

1913
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:22,420
alien and I don't just mean that he's

1914
01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:25,840
from Great Britain exactly well high

1915
01:23:31,710 --> 01:23:28,660
strangeness another another blog hosted

1916
01:23:35,340 --> 01:23:31,720
a number of questions for a different

1917
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:35,350
podcast and there are a few others we

1918
01:23:41,850 --> 01:23:39,850
have others you know to aid in the the

1919
01:23:44,130 --> 01:23:41,860
debate rather than in the forums that

1920
01:23:48,060 --> 01:23:44,140
you have produced a series of questions

1921
01:23:51,150 --> 01:23:48,070
and there were twenty produced by by

1922
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:51,160
mark and and then the people who are

1923
01:23:54,450 --> 01:23:52,570
reading the blogs added a bunch more

1924
01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:54,460
this was one that was added by one of

1925
01:23:59,610 --> 01:23:56,590
the blog readers and commenters and I

1926
01:24:01,530 --> 01:23:59,620
mean I like Nick I've met him I think

1927
01:24:02,700 --> 01:24:01,540
that that was a reaction from someone

1928
01:24:04,500 --> 01:24:02,710
who thought that Nick was getting a

1929
01:24:07,140 --> 01:24:04,510
little too far afield in some of his

1930
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:07,150
theories and beliefs and you know to me

1931
01:24:13,020 --> 01:24:10,000
it again it's all in the interpretation

1932
01:24:16,140 --> 01:24:13,030
isn't it however you another one okay

1933
01:24:18,150 --> 01:24:16,150
okay all right here we go should the

1934
01:24:22,110 --> 01:24:18,160
three-strikes-you're-out rule apply to

1935
01:24:24,030 --> 01:24:22,120
Roswell smoking guns woo well that's a

1936
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:24,040
good one I think it should be two

1937
01:24:27,810 --> 01:24:26,770
strikes much so the same were passed it

1938
01:24:31,230 --> 01:24:27,820
right now that's it

1939
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:31,240
yeah yeah we're past that I mean is

1940
01:24:34,850 --> 01:24:32,770
Roswell I mean people want to know is

1941
01:24:36,900 --> 01:24:34,860
Roswell real did Roz won't really happen

1942
01:24:41,730 --> 01:24:36,910
from time to time we get people

1943
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,740
promoting videos and card out witnesses

1944
01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:44,080
and and eyewitnesses and sons and

1945
01:24:48,330 --> 01:24:45,430
daughters and grandchildren of

1946
01:24:53,970 --> 01:24:48,340
eyewitnesses and you know now with the

1947
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:53,980
slides is it possible to get beyond all

1948
01:25:00,300 --> 01:24:57,040
this and I had a chat with Stan Friedman

1949
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:00,310
about this and I'm arguing that if there

1950
01:25:05,610 --> 01:25:03,130
was any real evidence let's say

1951
01:25:07,620 --> 01:25:05,620
documents you know attesting to the

1952
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:07,630
reality that something really did crash

1953
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:10,810
at Roswell after all the years that have

1954
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:14,080
been going on I think those documents

1955
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:17,290
would be long since destroyed I don't

1956
01:25:21,150 --> 01:25:18,730
think that there would be any evidence

1957
01:25:23,310 --> 01:25:21,160
left I I think if there were pieces

1958
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:23,320
picked up those pieces would be locked

1959
01:25:29,810 --> 01:25:27,310
away not at area 51 not it not at hangar

1960
01:25:32,030 --> 01:25:29,820
1 or 17 or whatever

1961
01:25:33,860 --> 01:25:32,040
they certainly not at Montauk point

1962
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,870
certainly not at Montauk and you

1963
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:36,000
wouldn't have an alien on display in a

1964
01:25:41,180 --> 01:25:38,730
glass case in a museum on top of an army

1965
01:25:44,060 --> 01:25:41,190
blanket on top of an army blanket that's

1966
01:25:46,220 --> 01:25:44,070
simply not how it would happen but is

1967
01:25:50,660 --> 01:25:46,230
George Adamski really a distant relative

1968
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:50,670
of billy meier well define relative I

1969
01:25:56,180 --> 01:25:52,530
mean I suppose there's certainly a lot

1970
01:25:58,990 --> 01:25:56,190
of relation between the early contactees

1971
01:26:01,520 --> 01:25:59,000
and the the more modern contactees

1972
01:26:04,730 --> 01:26:01,530
certainly in some of the ways that billy

1973
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:04,740
meier was you know showing off some of

1974
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:07,410
the photos of dinosaurs and whatever

1975
01:26:11,090 --> 01:26:09,090
that he took when he was taken to

1976
01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:11,100
another dimension and whatnot is are

1977
01:26:14,780 --> 01:26:13,080
very similar to what Adamski was doing

1978
01:26:17,570 --> 01:26:14,790
so I would say there's a lot of

1979
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:17,580
similarity between what Adamski was

1980
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:20,010
Hawking and what Maier was claiming to

1981
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:21,930
this day there are Adamski supporters

1982
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:23,370
and there are Meyer supporters so

1983
01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:25,530
there's a lot of parallels and their

1984
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:29,400
religiosity of ufology and that's a

1985
01:26:34,220 --> 01:26:31,890
topic all to its own as well let's

1986
01:26:40,220 --> 01:26:34,230
continue with the questions please hit

1987
01:26:42,860 --> 01:26:40,230
me don't tempt me well we've got quite a

1988
01:26:45,620 --> 01:26:42,870
few questions Chris and this one comes

1989
01:26:47,900 --> 01:26:45,630
from Bluto 392 who posted this at a

1990
01:26:50,890 --> 01:26:47,910
question Bank of forum dr. Peric ascom

1991
01:26:54,290 --> 01:26:50,900
and this is an interesting kind of

1992
01:26:55,730 --> 01:26:54,300
juxtaposition in thinking any wonder if

1993
01:26:59,650 --> 01:26:55,740
it's possible that whatever is behind

1994
01:27:02,150 --> 01:26:59,660
this phenomena I think these phenomena

1995
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:02,160
may be fumbling around in the dark as

1996
01:27:04,910 --> 01:27:02,850
much as we are

1997
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:04,920
but somehow they've stumbled upon us

1998
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:06,810
instead of the other way around could

1999
01:27:13,070 --> 01:27:09,930
UFOs abductions mi bees even odd reports

2000
01:27:15,710 --> 01:27:13,080
and old reports of fairy folk or ghosts

2001
01:27:17,420 --> 01:27:15,720
be there attempts to be heard but they

2002
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:17,430
just can't figure us out enough to

2003
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:18,690
effectively speak with us

2004
01:27:23,210 --> 01:27:20,910
could it be constructive to consider

2005
01:27:25,460 --> 01:27:23,220
ways in which enough other species might

2006
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:25,470
try to communicate and then try to

2007
01:27:28,700 --> 01:27:27,360
communicate make an effort to

2008
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:28,710
communicate with them and meet them

2009
01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:30,780
halfway I remember dr. Lai said

2010
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:33,000
something that really kind of made me

2011
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:35,040
sit up and take notice he said this this

2012
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:37,650
all seems very it's almost like a

2013
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:41,280
program the way this whole you know

2014
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:42,730
these whole encounters and

2015
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:45,280
in waves of sightings they seem to be

2016
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:46,960
some sort of control mechanism or some

2017
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:49,990
sort of software program and and he said

2018
01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:53,410
if it is that couldn't we interject

2019
01:28:02,250 --> 01:27:56,590
something into the into the code some

2020
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:02,260
sort of you know pre-arranged I forget

2021
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:04,480
what his analogy was or his example was

2022
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:07,440
but is it is there a way for us to

2023
01:28:12,330 --> 01:28:10,450
number one ever decipher these

2024
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:12,340
communications and if so is there a way

2025
01:28:14,970 --> 01:28:14,110
that we can meet them halfway I think

2026
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:14,980
it's a good question

2027
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:18,490
yeah and you know this goes back to the

2028
01:28:23,670 --> 01:28:21,090
question of what aliens would be like

2029
01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:23,680
like how would they communicate with us

2030
01:28:29,070 --> 01:28:26,040
would they want to communicate with us

2031
01:28:32,250 --> 01:28:29,080
and you know what intentions might there

2032
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:32,260
be you know there's uh what what is it

2033
01:28:39,420 --> 01:28:36,850
sirens of Titan where alien who had

2034
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:39,430
crashed a spacecraft on on Titan or

2035
01:28:46,530 --> 01:28:42,880
somewhere out there many thousands of

2036
01:28:49,380 --> 01:28:46,540
years ago needed a part replacement part

2037
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:49,390
for his spacecraft and so he gently

2038
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:53,050
guided the Neanderthals on earth to

2039
01:28:59,400 --> 01:28:55,450
develop civilization to the point where

2040
01:29:01,410 --> 01:28:59,410
humans developed space travel and space

2041
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:01,420
travel eventually reaches Titan and

2042
01:29:07,620 --> 01:29:04,810
discover him in a spacecraft and onboard

2043
01:29:09,180 --> 01:29:07,630
the spacecraft is the essential part of

2044
01:29:10,650 --> 01:29:09,190
the spacecraft that he needed us to

2045
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:10,660
develop which turned out to be a can

2046
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:12,010
opener

2047
01:29:16,260 --> 01:29:14,770
you know it is there's you know what

2048
01:29:17,730 --> 01:29:16,270
would be the purpose of communicating

2049
01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:17,740
and what sounds like a rod serling

2050
01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:20,440
episode yeah with the would we would we

2051
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:23,110
recognize communication and I think this

2052
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:25,810
goes back to a lot of the first contact

2053
01:29:30,450 --> 01:29:28,690
scenarios would there you know if there

2054
01:29:33,210 --> 01:29:30,460
is a prime directive and we're under

2055
01:29:35,490 --> 01:29:33,220
observation where you subtly try to

2056
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,500
contact us would they try to keep us

2057
01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:37,600
from blowing ourselves up by you know

2058
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:39,910
having a power failure just as the

2059
01:29:45,390 --> 01:29:41,650
nuclear missiles we're about to be

2060
01:29:48,030 --> 01:29:45,400
launched you know as Saleh is talking

2061
01:29:51,480 --> 01:29:48,040
about these days you know are there

2062
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:51,490
other ways of intervening you know I

2063
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:53,170
don't know you know they maybe they

2064
01:29:56,340 --> 01:29:55,090
can't figure us out maybe we're so

2065
01:29:58,260 --> 01:29:56,350
bizarre we are so

2066
01:30:00,900 --> 01:29:58,270
primitive that they're worried about us

2067
01:30:02,850 --> 01:30:00,910
making inroads into the cosmic

2068
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neighborhood you know these are

2069
01:30:07,170 --> 01:30:04,870
wonderful concepts have been talked

2070
01:30:09,870 --> 01:30:07,180
about in hash DeVoe hashed around so

2071
01:30:12,620 --> 01:30:09,880
many times in science fiction again you

2072
01:30:15,420 --> 01:30:12,630
know we don't know what aliens really

2073
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:15,430
are like what with the motivation for

2074
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:17,530
contact with us would be you know some

2075
01:30:22,890 --> 01:30:21,010
would argue that they really have no

2076
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:22,900
reason to contact us arthur c clarke

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rendezvous with Rama series you know

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it's going to what that means in a

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moment okay sure the motivations of

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aliens chris wachowsky with Gene and KK

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consultation that's eight hundred eight

2144
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:19,510
three one zero seven seventy one honey

2145
01:33:22,649 --> 01:33:21,010
why are there fish swimming in our

2146
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:22,659
bathtub aren't they cute

2147
01:33:26,669 --> 01:33:24,610
you need more omega-3s and those fish

2148
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:26,679
oil pills food toxins and heavy metals

2149
01:33:31,259 --> 01:33:29,110
are scary so in making fish oil from

2150
01:33:32,969 --> 01:33:31,269
scratch oh boy didn't I tell you I'm

2151
01:33:35,339 --> 01:33:32,979
ordering nutria gold fish oil it's

2152
01:33:38,009 --> 01:33:35,349
exceptionally pure that's what they all

2153
01:33:40,020 --> 01:33:38,019
say no really neutral golds fish oil is

2154
01:33:41,759 --> 01:33:40,030
concentrated from pure cold water fish

2155
01:33:44,339 --> 01:33:41,769
straight off the Alaskan coast and

2156
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:44,349
manufactured right here in the USA well

2157
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:46,449
cold Alaskan waters are much more

2158
01:33:49,919 --> 01:33:48,249
pristine than the polluted waters that

2159
01:33:51,899 --> 01:33:49,929
other fish oils are sourced from that's

2160
01:33:53,879 --> 01:33:51,909
what I'm saying and it's five star

2161
01:33:55,770 --> 01:33:53,889
certified to meet international purity

2162
01:33:57,810 --> 01:33:55,780
potency and freshness standards

2163
01:33:59,489 --> 01:33:57,820
well that sounds even better great I'll

2164
01:34:05,100 --> 01:33:59,499
be in my office ordering a few bottles

2165
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:05,110
if I order now on www.cancer.gov promo

2166
01:34:09,610 --> 01:34:07,130
code my fish oil

2167
01:34:10,990 --> 01:34:09,620
why are there bees in my office get rid

2168
01:34:12,910 --> 01:34:11,000
of those fish burps for good go to

2169
01:34:16,750 --> 01:34:12,920
neutral Gold's us-made fish oil products

2170
01:34:18,850 --> 01:34:16,760
by going to WWE and get five dollars off

2171
01:34:20,260 --> 01:34:18,860
by entering my fish oil at checkout

2172
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:20,270
hey bruh he I hear are you still

2173
01:34:23,590 --> 01:34:22,010
drinking unfiltered tap water does your

2174
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:23,600
water contain chlorine or fluoride will

2175
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:25,520
ya drinkable water in an emergency the

2176
01:34:28,570 --> 01:34:26,930
perky guy is here to help you remove

2177
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:28,580
these and other potential contaminants

2178
01:34:31,330 --> 01:34:30,290
from your water thus helping you drain

2179
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clean purified water

2180
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we offer berkey water purification

2181
01:34:36,010 --> 01:34:34,400
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2182
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2183
01:34:39,250 --> 01:34:37,730
murky system over the last 10 years

2184
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we've helped thousands during clean

2185
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purified water join them by visiting

2186
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:43,130
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2187
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:45,290
at 877 eighty six three six five three

2188
01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:47,210
that's eight seven seven eighty six

2189
01:34:58,229 --> 01:34:56,370
this is Mike to hang to the gray leader

2190
01:35:00,270 --> 01:34:58,239
for and you're listening to the para

2191
01:35:06,029 --> 01:35:00,280
cast the gold standard of paranormal

2192
01:35:10,859 --> 01:35:08,399
is it the para cast Chris O'Brien

2193
01:35:12,869 --> 01:35:10,869
becomes KK for this episode known by his

2194
01:35:14,789 --> 01:35:12,879
real name because Chris radowski's here

2195
01:35:17,399 --> 01:35:14,799
we don't want any confusion we're

2196
01:35:19,919 --> 01:35:17,409
talking about alien motivations and we

2197
01:35:23,369 --> 01:35:19,929
look at aliens or possible alien life in

2198
01:35:26,069 --> 01:35:23,379
terms of what we do or in terms of Star

2199
01:35:28,409 --> 01:35:26,079
Trek you know we don't think that alien

2200
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:28,419
means they have motivations we can't

2201
01:35:32,189 --> 01:35:30,010
even begin to understand

2202
01:35:34,169 --> 01:35:32,199
well maybe aliens actually talk out

2203
01:35:36,029 --> 01:35:34,179
their butts and their anal probing us to

2204
01:35:40,049 --> 01:35:36,039
figure out why we don't well of course

2205
01:35:41,969 --> 01:35:40,059
if you're a politician you do well like

2206
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:41,979
I start my lecture some time by saying I

2207
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,449
know for a fact that aliens have come

2208
01:35:48,679 --> 01:35:45,280
down to earth have taken over the minds

2209
01:35:51,569 --> 01:35:48,689
and bodies of humans and are you know

2210
01:35:55,589 --> 01:35:51,579
among us every day otherwise how can you

2211
01:35:58,139 --> 01:35:55,599
explain politicians so you know we don't

2212
01:36:01,020 --> 01:35:58,149
know and some have argued that the

2213
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:01,030
aliens are here already and I think as

2214
01:36:06,750 --> 01:36:03,449
kaykai mentioned you know maybe they are

2215
01:36:09,359 --> 01:36:06,760
microscopic maybe you know there's some

2216
01:36:11,339 --> 01:36:09,369
manipulation of DNA maybe where there

2217
01:36:12,869 --> 01:36:11,349
are some remnants of an alien contact

2218
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:12,879
from hundreds of thousands of years ago

2219
01:36:18,179 --> 01:36:15,489
in our DNA and that's why we are the way

2220
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:18,189
we are ourselves there's so many factors

2221
01:36:22,409 --> 01:36:21,010
and it's amazing to speculate and I

2222
01:36:24,989 --> 01:36:22,419
think the thing is we simply don't know

2223
01:36:27,599 --> 01:36:24,999
until that moment and you know maybe

2224
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:27,609
we're getting closer and closer to that

2225
01:36:31,589 --> 01:36:30,010
moment I mean I I've been predicting for

2226
01:36:35,399 --> 01:36:31,599
a couple years now that we're not that

2227
01:36:37,020 --> 01:36:35,409
far away from discovering a really

2228
01:36:39,839 --> 01:36:37,030
earth-like planet I mean we're really

2229
01:36:42,809 --> 01:36:39,849
close with this this latest one Kepler

2230
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:42,819
five seven two or whatever it is that is

2231
01:36:47,219 --> 01:36:45,010
not much bigger than Earth and in the

2232
01:36:48,959 --> 01:36:47,229
Goldilocks zone where it's you know

2233
01:36:53,099 --> 01:36:48,969
where there's liquid water on the planet

2234
01:36:54,750 --> 01:36:53,109
and so forth and it's you know still a

2235
01:36:57,809 --> 01:36:54,760
hundred light years away or something so

2236
01:36:59,069 --> 01:36:57,819
we're getting closer but you know we're

2237
01:37:02,989 --> 01:36:59,079
really not that far away from

2238
01:37:05,819 --> 01:37:02,999
discovering aliens or a possible alien

2239
01:37:09,209 --> 01:37:05,829
planet not far away from us within

2240
01:37:11,369 --> 01:37:09,219
communication range and you know when

2241
01:37:14,099 --> 01:37:11,379
that happens you know maybe you know

2242
01:37:16,409 --> 01:37:14,109
that will lead to actual communication

2243
01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:16,419
with aliens whatever they might be like

2244
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:19,689
and maybe they're a lot like us and

2245
01:37:22,140 --> 01:37:20,050
simply

2246
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:22,150
can't get off their planet because of

2247
01:37:28,050 --> 01:37:24,880
political reasons or energy constraints

2248
01:37:30,060 --> 01:37:28,060
or the the will to do so maybe they're

2249
01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,070
more advanced than us maybe they're less

2250
01:37:34,890 --> 01:37:32,320
advanced but the point is it would

2251
01:37:38,820 --> 01:37:34,900
signal a real change in who we are that

2252
01:37:40,740 --> 01:37:38,830
we're no longer a series of warring

2253
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:40,750
tribal factions on the surface of this

2254
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:43,750
rocky planet orbiting Saul we would

2255
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:47,050
represent you know a civilization that

2256
01:37:53,070 --> 01:37:50,050
needed to speak as one and to work as

2257
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:53,080
one because it would be us against them

2258
01:37:57,060 --> 01:37:54,850
and who knows what that them really

2259
01:37:58,830 --> 01:37:57,070
would be like also you ever think of

2260
01:38:01,110 --> 01:37:58,840
another possibility that it occurs to me

2261
01:38:03,480 --> 01:38:01,120
sometimes when people remember or think

2262
01:38:05,460 --> 01:38:03,490
they've had an abduction they are

2263
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:05,470
remembering how the human race was

2264
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:07,510
created as part of our racial memory

2265
01:38:13,110 --> 01:38:09,970
that we were part of a hybrid race or

2266
01:38:15,660 --> 01:38:13,120
are the hybrid race created by aliens

2267
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:15,670
thousands of years ago well you know

2268
01:38:21,690 --> 01:38:18,850
again I anything is possible to conceive

2269
01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:21,700
oh I don't know if the detail of our

2270
01:38:28,170 --> 01:38:24,490
racial memory would be that you know

2271
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:28,180
that intense like that but it's possible

2272
01:38:32,390 --> 01:38:29,890
that our brains are hot-wired for such a

2273
01:38:34,890 --> 01:38:32,400
thing and that that is what we are

2274
01:38:38,370 --> 01:38:34,900
sensing and experiencing during an

2275
01:38:41,010 --> 01:38:38,380
abduction you know contact with

2276
01:38:43,110 --> 01:38:41,020
something not contact with something

2277
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:43,120
that's unfamiliar and that brings up

2278
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:45,520
these images that are hot wired into us

2279
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:48,370
well it's a thought here the question is

2280
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:52,090
the reality of what we see yeah yeah

2281
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:54,310
absolutely it's you know what is it that

2282
01:38:59,610 --> 01:38:56,770
that we really are experiencing are we

2283
01:39:02,040 --> 01:38:59,620
really seeing things the way they are or

2284
01:39:04,860 --> 01:39:02,050
are we interpreting things the way they

2285
01:39:06,660 --> 01:39:04,870
are you know it's just that the other

2286
01:39:08,850 --> 01:39:06,670
thing that that can be said is that you

2287
01:39:11,190 --> 01:39:08,860
know reality isn't an illusion it just

2288
01:39:13,290 --> 01:39:11,200
seems that way kay cave some more

2289
01:39:16,260 --> 01:39:13,300
questions please okay this one comes

2290
01:39:19,940 --> 01:39:16,270
from another canook Robert our esteemed

2291
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:19,950
Bernt state who has recently passed the

2292
01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:23,770
3600 postmark and he has 3,700 almost

2293
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:25,540
three thousand eight hundred likes and

2294
01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:29,890
wait to see what he does tomorrow okay

2295
01:39:33,310 --> 01:39:31,750
he points out something that's

2296
01:39:37,150 --> 01:39:33,320
interesting and

2297
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:37,160
it's he says you often highlight Chris

2298
01:39:40,990 --> 01:39:38,800
extraordinary cases with UFOs that

2299
01:39:43,630 --> 01:39:41,000
appeared to be electric in their strange

2300
01:39:46,150 --> 01:39:43,640
shapes and forms and with so many

2301
01:39:48,460 --> 01:39:46,160
compelling non-traditional examples in

2302
01:39:50,650 --> 01:39:48,470
the history of ufology does this make

2303
01:39:52,690 --> 01:39:50,660
the phenomenon just more multifaceted

2304
01:39:55,180 --> 01:39:52,700
with many possible answers or does it

2305
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:55,190
make you more suspicious that a single

2306
01:40:00,130 --> 01:39:57,290
source may be responsible well you know

2307
01:40:01,930 --> 01:40:00,140
this goes back to our interpretation one

2308
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:01,940
of the big problems we have when we're

2309
01:40:08,860 --> 01:40:06,410
analyzing UFO reports and data is the

2310
01:40:11,860 --> 01:40:08,870
shape something as simple as asking

2311
01:40:17,370 --> 01:40:11,870
witness what the shape is and some will

2312
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,380
say round or some will say circular and

2313
01:40:23,410 --> 01:40:19,760
that doesn't mean anything

2314
01:40:25,300 --> 01:40:23,420
when I say round you mean like a ball no

2315
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:25,310
no I mean like a plate well that's not

2316
01:40:35,890 --> 01:40:31,760
round that's flat and and also when a

2317
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:35,900
person sees you know a disc you usually

2318
01:40:41,790 --> 01:40:38,000
don't actually see a disc your lies you

2319
01:40:44,140 --> 01:40:41,800
either see a circle if the disc is

2320
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:44,150
flipped on its edge and facing you

2321
01:40:49,810 --> 01:40:46,730
looking you know towards the the center

2322
01:40:52,270 --> 01:40:49,820
of the plate or on its edge you would

2323
01:40:58,180 --> 01:40:52,280
see a line in which case it would appear

2324
01:41:02,080 --> 01:40:58,190
to be a rod or a cigar and so something

2325
01:41:03,670 --> 01:41:02,090
as simple as a shape of a UFO you know

2326
01:41:05,410 --> 01:41:03,680
even football shapes and what's a disc

2327
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:05,420
at an oblique angle I mean if something

2328
01:41:10,050 --> 01:41:07,370
as simple as that makes us suspicious

2329
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:10,060
that maybe there is just one shape of a

2330
01:41:14,650 --> 01:41:12,490
UFO and maybe all the other

2331
01:41:18,430 --> 01:41:14,660
interpretations are are just variations

2332
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:18,440
perspective yeah ray Stanford has kind

2333
01:41:25,300 --> 01:41:21,050
of hinted around to me you know I don't

2334
01:41:26,710 --> 01:41:25,310
normally talk about Ray's analysis on

2335
01:41:29,110 --> 01:41:26,720
the show and I promised I wouldn't bring

2336
01:41:31,140 --> 01:41:29,120
it up again but but I really want to

2337
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:31,150
emphasize this point that he is

2338
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:35,090
convinced that there really are no discs

2339
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:38,330
as described by witnesses these objects

2340
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:40,250
are spinning and he thinks they're their

2341
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:42,650
palagonite that they they have multiple

2342
01:41:48,460 --> 01:41:45,410
sides that when you spin them they

2343
01:41:51,460 --> 01:41:48,470
to be round and he's you know done some

2344
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:51,470
work on still frame high-speed uh still

2345
01:41:56,230 --> 01:41:53,360
framed images that seem to suggest that

2346
01:41:58,630 --> 01:41:56,240
we're dealing with multi sighted objects

2347
01:42:01,450 --> 01:41:58,640
that are in a rough circular pattern but

2348
01:42:04,450 --> 01:42:01,460
when they're spun if they're spinning it

2349
01:42:06,850 --> 01:42:04,460
the sides kind of blur into a circular

2350
01:42:10,090 --> 01:42:06,860
shape which you know would make some

2351
01:42:13,450 --> 01:42:10,100
sense and if that's the case and

2352
01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:13,460
possibly your observation here that we

2353
01:42:19,210 --> 01:42:16,760
may be misinterpreting based on our you

2354
01:42:21,730 --> 01:42:19,220
know limited ability to ascertain

2355
01:42:23,170 --> 01:42:21,740
visually something high strange that

2356
01:42:25,090 --> 01:42:23,180
we're looking at that's outside of our

2357
01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:25,100
realm of understanding that that you

2358
01:42:30,010 --> 01:42:26,450
know maybe we're basically we're just

2359
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:30,020
our primal sort of modus operandi of

2360
01:42:35,860 --> 01:42:32,570
describing or our experience it tends to

2361
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:35,870
to adhere to what our common

2362
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:38,210
descriptions of these objects in terms

2363
01:42:44,170 --> 01:42:42,320
of their circular circular nature so you

2364
01:42:47,770 --> 01:42:44,180
know I think more work needs to be done

2365
01:42:50,230 --> 01:42:47,780
in this in this regard and another

2366
01:42:52,570 --> 01:42:50,240
question that's been brought up is you

2367
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:52,580
know this one comes from techno mage who

2368
01:42:56,650 --> 01:42:54,050
comes out of the woodwork for a good

2369
01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:56,660
guest like you and he says since Canada

2370
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,090
seems to be a hotbed of UFO activity

2371
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:00,560
doesn't it make sense to find one or two

2372
01:43:05,110 --> 01:43:03,050
hot spots up there and start a camera

2373
01:43:06,810 --> 01:43:05,120
project to get some hard evidence and he

2374
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:06,820
uses the example of my San Luis Valley

2375
01:43:11,980 --> 01:43:09,770
project that I'm currently underway of

2376
01:43:13,630 --> 01:43:11,990
attempting to have a triangulated camera

2377
01:43:15,580 --> 01:43:13,640
array in the San Luis Valley in Colorado

2378
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:15,590
do you think that that would make sense

2379
01:43:21,810 --> 01:43:18,610
to uh to identify some hotspot areas

2380
01:43:24,970 --> 01:43:21,820
possibly on the lake there in Ontario

2381
01:43:28,810 --> 01:43:24,980
there's some places in BC that tend to

2382
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:28,820
have evan employing waves of activity do

2383
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:30,530
you think that that would be a possible

2384
01:43:34,810 --> 01:43:33,170
effective way of possibly taking this to

2385
01:43:38,620 --> 01:43:34,820
the next level in terms of hard hard

2386
01:43:40,750 --> 01:43:38,630
science well yeah and there's two sides

2387
01:43:43,060 --> 01:43:40,760
of that of course that Canada does seem

2388
01:43:45,340 --> 01:43:43,070
to be a hotbed of UFO activity in the

2389
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:45,350
sense that we have 1,200 cases or sorry

2390
01:43:50,770 --> 01:43:48,530
you know between 1,200 and I forget what

2391
01:43:52,260 --> 01:43:50,780
the the other data shows right now but

2392
01:43:54,900 --> 01:43:52,270
you know more than a thousand cases

2393
01:43:58,570 --> 01:43:54,910
every year well that's a thousand cases

2394
01:43:59,169 --> 01:43:58,580
across the entire country in a year that

2395
01:44:02,049 --> 01:43:59,179
are being

2396
01:44:04,859 --> 01:44:02,059
ported and you know Kenna's a pretty big

2397
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:04,869
country so to pick one particular spot

2398
01:44:09,729 --> 01:44:07,489
even statistically of that could be

2399
01:44:11,679 --> 01:44:09,739
waiting a long time for that one

2400
01:44:13,689 --> 01:44:11,689
particular case to come across however

2401
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:13,699
you're right about on the lake as a

2402
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:14,719
matter of fact

2403
01:44:20,669 --> 01:44:17,090
Jennifer Jarvis has something called orb

2404
01:44:27,100 --> 01:44:20,679
watch and she sets up on the actually

2405
01:44:31,540 --> 01:44:27,110
the south side of Lake Ontario just to

2406
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:31,550
the west of Buffalo and she's been you

2407
01:44:36,729 --> 01:44:35,090
know making video records of things over

2408
01:44:38,770 --> 01:44:36,739
the lake for quite some time so there is

2409
01:44:41,979 --> 01:44:38,780
a lot of that going on already

2410
01:44:44,859 --> 01:44:41,989
and unfortunately what she's getting

2411
01:44:46,179 --> 01:44:44,869
seems to be a lot of aircraft because

2412
01:44:50,529 --> 01:44:46,189
she's looking directly towards the

2413
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:50,539
Toronto Airport and and some boats on

2414
01:44:55,149 --> 01:44:52,489
the water and things like that but it

2415
01:44:57,339 --> 01:44:55,159
does make sense to to use camera

2416
01:44:58,899 --> 01:44:57,349
projects to you know look at at some

2417
01:45:01,319 --> 01:44:58,909
hard evidence to try and get some

2418
01:45:06,609 --> 01:45:01,329
photographic evidence of course i mean i

2419
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:06,619
estulin has you know they've had cameras

2420
01:45:12,009 --> 01:45:09,920
set up for quite some time for decades

2421
01:45:14,259 --> 01:45:12,019
now and it's only recently that they're

2422
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:14,269
starting to get some some decent results

2423
01:45:19,330 --> 01:45:17,360
coming out of out of norway they're more

2424
01:45:22,899 --> 01:45:19,340
of this our next segment with chris

2425
01:45:27,130 --> 01:45:22,909
Rutkowski and k k and gene you're in the

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first game attack of the rockets and it

2430
01:45:42,820 --> 01:45:41,270
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2431
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now there is the coming of the

2432
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protectors a former military

2433
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intelligence man is contacted by a space

2434
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2435
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2436
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2437
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2440
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2441
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2444
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2445
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2446
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2447
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2480
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2481
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2482
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2483
01:48:04,989 --> 01:48:01,880
here's Jane Steinberg we're back with

2484
01:48:06,459 --> 01:48:04,999
chris wachowsky discussing the possible

2485
01:48:08,500 --> 01:48:06,469
impact or meaning of some of these

2486
01:48:10,540 --> 01:48:08,510
camera projects a set of cameras in a

2487
01:48:12,219 --> 01:48:10,550
specific region and see what they

2488
01:48:15,100 --> 01:48:12,229
produce in terms of pictures Chris

2489
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:15,110
O'Brien our own Kay Kay Barnes is doing

2490
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:17,090
that with the San Luis Valley camera

2491
01:48:20,859 --> 01:48:19,010
project but I have a crazy question to

2492
01:48:23,799 --> 01:48:20,869
ask which is of course the fly in the

2493
01:48:25,870 --> 01:48:23,809
ointment question and that is is it

2494
01:48:28,179 --> 01:48:25,880
possible the presence of some kind of

2495
01:48:31,209 --> 01:48:28,189
means of detection will deter the

2496
01:48:32,799 --> 01:48:31,219
phenomenon from showing up oh well yeah

2497
01:48:36,279 --> 01:48:32,809
it's a good question Schrodinger's cat

2498
01:48:39,699 --> 01:48:36,289
for ufology is the the attempt to

2499
01:48:42,339 --> 01:48:39,709
document make the phenomenon shy and

2500
01:48:44,109 --> 01:48:42,349
then no I'm trying to remember who

2501
01:48:47,939 --> 01:48:44,119
coined that there's a there's somebody

2502
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:47,949
who coined the phrase that ufology is a

2503
01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:51,650
is based on a shy phenomenon you know

2504
01:48:54,850 --> 01:48:53,209
it's very possible that there's

2505
01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:54,860
something there I mean I've I've gone

2506
01:48:59,290 --> 01:48:57,110
out to so-called UFO hot spots and

2507
01:49:00,939 --> 01:48:59,300
nothing's shown up and people were

2508
01:49:02,649 --> 01:49:00,949
completely baffled well it was here the

2509
01:49:04,469 --> 01:49:02,659
night before and was here tonight before

2510
01:49:08,350 --> 01:49:04,479
that but you came with nothing was seen

2511
01:49:11,529 --> 01:49:08,360
so does the existence of instrumented

2512
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:11,539
detection cause the phenomenon to to not

2513
01:49:15,069 --> 01:49:13,280
show up and what does that mean does

2514
01:49:18,549 --> 01:49:15,079
that mean that it's psychological does

2515
01:49:20,649 --> 01:49:18,559
it mean that there is something in the

2516
01:49:23,620 --> 01:49:20,659
environment that makes the thing

2517
01:49:27,129 --> 01:49:23,630
sensitive to observation of whatever

2518
01:49:28,779 --> 01:49:27,139
kind so it's it's a very interesting

2519
01:49:32,069 --> 01:49:28,789
question yeah it's a very interesting

2520
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:32,079
question it--and uh it certainly is a

2521
01:49:36,850 --> 01:49:34,610
possibility that there's a an awareness

2522
01:49:39,699 --> 01:49:36,860
factor really brings up a lot of

2523
01:49:42,189 --> 01:49:39,709
intriguing possibilities that there you

2524
01:49:44,169 --> 01:49:42,199
know the whole reflective of the

2525
01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:44,179
appearance of reflectivity in these

2526
01:49:49,149 --> 01:49:47,689
events and reported experiences there

2527
01:49:51,790 --> 01:49:49,159
may be some sort of symbiotic

2528
01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:51,800
relationship you know possibly people

2529
01:49:57,780 --> 01:49:56,239
need to be in a particular open state or

2530
01:50:01,440 --> 01:49:57,790
open frame of mind

2531
01:50:03,570 --> 01:50:01,450
that allows these these objects to have

2532
01:50:05,730 --> 01:50:03,580
permission if you will to to appear

2533
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:05,740
there's a spot in the San Luis Valley

2534
01:50:10,860 --> 01:50:08,320
for instance called the pata Falls and

2535
01:50:13,740 --> 01:50:10,870
on the hillside of the Sangre s there

2536
01:50:15,660 --> 01:50:13,750
there's a burn area that was totally

2537
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:15,670
burnt out about 30 years ago 40 years

2538
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:18,970
ago and there's all these sometimes

2539
01:50:23,370 --> 01:50:20,320
hundreds even thousands of these

2540
01:50:25,290 --> 01:50:23,380
pinpoints of blinking lights appear on

2541
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:25,300
this hillside which is about two miles

2542
01:50:30,510 --> 01:50:28,210
away from the parking area that sits

2543
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:30,520
right down the trail from this a pot of

2544
01:50:34,770 --> 01:50:32,890
falls and it's about it's about 1,500

2545
01:50:37,110 --> 01:50:34,780
feet I think above the valley floor and

2546
01:50:39,480 --> 01:50:37,120
I don't know how many times I've had

2547
01:50:41,700 --> 01:50:39,490
people tell me that that if they get me

2548
01:50:43,410 --> 01:50:41,710
in this you know kind of plays into what

2549
01:50:46,410 --> 01:50:43,420
Steven Greer has been attempting to do

2550
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:46,420
with coherent thought sequencing there

2551
01:50:49,860 --> 01:50:47,920
is there does seem to be a correlation

2552
01:50:52,140 --> 01:50:49,870
that when people go into a quiet

2553
01:50:54,210 --> 01:50:52,150
meditative state that these these

2554
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:54,220
blinking lights tend to be almost like

2555
01:50:58,770 --> 01:50:56,290
puppy dogs and they they they're curious

2556
01:51:00,060 --> 01:50:58,780
and they they tend to approach but if

2557
01:51:02,340 --> 01:51:00,070
people are yelling and screaming and

2558
01:51:05,730 --> 01:51:02,350
going oh my god there's light so they

2559
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:05,740
tend to stay away so maybe there's

2560
01:51:11,300 --> 01:51:07,210
something to that maybe there is some

2561
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:11,310
sort of CO sort of you know dependent

2562
01:51:16,380 --> 01:51:14,320
symbiosis that's going on between the

2563
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:16,390
observer and the actual phenomenon

2564
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:18,400
itself you know that's something I've

2565
01:51:22,260 --> 01:51:20,800
often wondered it seems that these

2566
01:51:22,890 --> 01:51:22,270
things show up when you least expect

2567
01:51:25,110 --> 01:51:22,900
them

2568
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:25,120
and when you're really pumped and primed

2569
01:51:31,530 --> 01:51:28,480
for them they tend to stay away it's

2570
01:51:33,540 --> 01:51:31,540
when you kind of forget about it and you

2571
01:51:36,060 --> 01:51:33,550
start going about your business and you

2572
01:51:38,340 --> 01:51:36,070
become distracted that that they seem to

2573
01:51:43,050 --> 01:51:38,350
show up and if you put yourself into a

2574
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,060
place of inner quiet let's say you know

2575
01:51:47,850 --> 01:51:45,520
into a pseudo meditative state then that

2576
01:51:50,430 --> 01:51:47,860
that does at least in this particular

2577
01:51:53,010 --> 01:51:50,440
example it does seem to attract the

2578
01:51:57,300 --> 01:51:53,020
phenomenon to come closer even close

2579
01:52:00,300 --> 01:51:57,310
enough for them to be in and around the

2580
01:52:02,040 --> 01:52:00,310
experiencers well and I would go back to

2581
01:52:04,500 --> 01:52:02,050
you know something I mentioned earlier

2582
01:52:07,770 --> 01:52:04,510
about an anthropological experiment if

2583
01:52:09,930 --> 01:52:07,780
there really were aliens monitoring

2584
01:52:11,540 --> 01:52:09,940
earth in some fashion and they wanted to

2585
01:52:14,959 --> 01:52:11,550
monitor people

2586
01:52:17,300 --> 01:52:14,969
and get some detailed observations one

2587
01:52:19,459 --> 01:52:17,310
would you know expect that an

2588
01:52:21,290 --> 01:52:19,469
anthropologist you know thinking as a

2589
01:52:23,180 --> 01:52:21,300
terrestrial anthropologist the way to do

2590
01:52:25,850 --> 01:52:23,190
it is to do it when there's only one

2591
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:25,860
person around or maybe two who aren't

2592
01:52:28,910 --> 01:52:27,330
really aware of your presence but as

2593
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:28,920
soon as your presence is suspected

2594
01:52:33,380 --> 01:52:30,890
that's the time to make yourself scarce

2595
01:52:35,570 --> 01:52:33,390
that certainly creates all sorts of

2596
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:35,580
interesting possibilities but isn't that

2597
01:52:39,860 --> 01:52:38,130
the way the UFO phenomenon has existed

2598
01:52:43,190 --> 01:52:39,870
as soon as we think we have a pattern

2599
01:52:44,270 --> 01:52:43,200
the pattern has changed as soon as we

2600
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:44,280
think we have a place where they're

2601
01:52:49,370 --> 01:52:48,000
always seen that stops that's true and

2602
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:49,380
and it's do this goes back to the

2603
01:52:53,450 --> 01:52:51,450
hotspot question I mean for a while it

2604
01:52:57,220 --> 01:52:53,460
was true that Lake Ontario Lake Erie

2605
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:57,230
were hotspots it was true that you know

2606
01:53:03,020 --> 01:52:59,760
Stephenville was a hotspot it was true

2607
01:53:04,430 --> 01:53:03,030
that Gulf Breeze was a hot spot and the

2608
01:53:06,590 --> 01:53:04,440
hot spot seemed to move all over the

2609
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:06,600
place it happens in Canada too where you

2610
01:53:11,390 --> 01:53:08,850
know we'll get more reports from one

2611
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:11,400
particular region in Canada that in one

2612
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:12,690
year and then the following year the

2613
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:14,250
reports there are down but then they're

2614
01:53:19,190 --> 01:53:17,280
higher in another location so the

2615
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:19,200
phenomenon does seem to shift around and

2616
01:53:23,870 --> 01:53:20,880
trying to make sense of all these trends

2617
01:53:27,260 --> 01:53:23,880
and and facets of it is is really

2618
01:53:29,180 --> 01:53:27,270
driving crazy there's a couple of

2619
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:29,190
questions here from our listeners about

2620
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:32,930
the Falcom lake Steve Michalak case and

2621
01:53:37,250 --> 01:53:35,730
creepy green light says all these years

2622
01:53:38,900 --> 01:53:37,260
later what do you make of the Falcon

2623
01:53:40,250 --> 01:53:38,910
Lake incident I know you've talked about

2624
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:40,260
this in the past when you've been on the

2625
01:53:43,580 --> 01:53:42,810
show but let's kind of give it a quick

2626
01:53:45,410 --> 01:53:43,590
go around here

2627
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:45,420
he says I've heard good arguments both

2628
01:53:49,010 --> 01:53:47,280
pro and con but I seem to remember

2629
01:53:50,900 --> 01:53:49,020
hearing that that Steven liked his

2630
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:50,910
alcohol and that he couldn't bring other

2631
01:53:55,790 --> 01:53:53,370
folks back to the exact landing site the

2632
01:53:57,590 --> 01:53:55,800
following day because he could not

2633
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:57,600
remember exactly where it was supposedly

2634
01:54:03,140 --> 01:54:00,719
and sentry chimes in and asked is the

2635
01:54:06,170 --> 01:54:03,150
Falcon Lake case a very strong new

2636
01:54:08,510 --> 01:54:06,180
Falacci case in your opinion because of

2637
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:08,520
its physical pieces of evidence the

2638
01:54:15,410 --> 01:54:12,239
burns on on Stevens chest for instance

2639
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:15,420
and in some physical side evidence but

2640
01:54:20,180 --> 01:54:17,850
he's wondering if you have doubts about

2641
01:54:22,370 --> 01:54:20,190
this case and any wonders are there

2642
01:54:24,140 --> 01:54:22,380
other physical trace evidence UFO cases

2643
01:54:26,419 --> 01:54:24,150
that you favor as strong

2644
01:54:31,399 --> 01:54:26,429
examples of evidence of an anomalous

2645
01:54:33,649 --> 01:54:31,409
technology hmm well I will state again I

2646
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:33,659
I think the Falcon Lake case is a really

2647
01:54:38,630 --> 01:54:36,570
good case seriously underrated and I

2648
01:54:41,209 --> 01:54:38,640
would actually place it ahead of Roswell

2649
01:54:44,350 --> 01:54:41,219
in terms of evidence and the reason I do

2650
01:54:47,419 --> 01:54:44,360
that is because in the Falcon Lake case

2651
01:54:50,270 --> 01:54:47,429
we have a location we know where it

2652
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:50,280
happened we don't know exactly where

2653
01:54:54,970 --> 01:54:52,050
Roswell happened we mean there's you

2654
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:54,980
know a debris field that was found but

2655
01:55:01,010 --> 01:54:57,840
trying to locate it exactly now is

2656
01:55:02,870 --> 01:55:01,020
difficult and there's nothing there

2657
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,880
whereas you can go back to the Falcon

2658
01:55:07,310 --> 01:55:05,040
Lake case over and over again and see

2659
01:55:10,300 --> 01:55:07,320
the exact spot a very self-contained

2660
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:10,310
site we know it was investigated

2661
01:55:16,430 --> 01:55:13,530
intently by the United States Air Force

2662
01:55:17,780 --> 01:55:16,440
the Canadian Air Force Vibram Canadian

2663
01:55:21,709 --> 01:55:17,790
Mounted Police and several other

2664
01:55:24,410 --> 01:55:21,719
agencies and we have literally hundreds

2665
01:55:27,590 --> 01:55:24,420
of pages of documentation of their

2666
01:55:30,740 --> 01:55:27,600
investigations their interviews the

2667
01:55:33,260 --> 01:55:30,750
transcripts of interviews photographs of

2668
01:55:36,439 --> 01:55:33,270
the area which is something we simply

2669
01:55:38,090 --> 01:55:36,449
don't have with Roswell there's no

2670
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:38,100
question that something occurred it was

2671
01:55:45,050 --> 01:55:41,850
debated in the Canadian Parliament there

2672
01:55:47,959 --> 01:55:45,060
are you know there was some you know we

2673
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had a witness to the event which we

2674
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don't really have in Roswell who

2675
01:55:54,979 --> 01:55:52,710
actually saw it happen right at that

2676
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particular spot the witness was

2677
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physically injured the medical records

2678
01:56:05,959 --> 01:56:02,429
were made available he was examined by

2679
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medical doctors he was examined by as

2680
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well as a psychiatrist as well as

2681
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general practitioners there was

2682
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radiation confirmed at the site in fact

2683
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the Canadian government considered

2684
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closing off the area to to the public

2685
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because of a perceived danger to the

2686
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public because of intense radiation

2687
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radioactive pieces were tested and

2688
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analyzed at atomic energy of Canada

2689
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which is the same institution in fact

2690
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the same laboratory that tested

2691
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radioactive debrief

2692
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cosmos 954 which crashed into northern

2693
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Canada in the 1970s we have so much

2694
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documentation we have you know a there's

2695
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absolutely no doubt that this is

2696
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everything you could possibly want in a

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UFO case and I think it's you know

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offend a really wonderful opportunity to

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really you know figure out what really

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went on based on the evidence that that

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there is the question as you mentioned

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about creepy green said Stephen mahalik

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liked his alcohol now that question has

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been raised a number of times in fact

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the Canadian Air Force thought that they

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would shake the witness's story by

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getting him drunk in a bar let's figure

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2802
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2803
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:28,949
802 eight seven seven one eight zero

2804
02:01:34,129 --> 02:01:31,650
again that's 802 eight seven seven one

2805
02:01:53,270 --> 02:01:34,139
eight zero 802 eight seven seven one

2806
02:01:54,830 --> 02:01:53,280
eight zero I haven't heard that

2807
02:01:56,239 --> 02:01:54,840
particular wrinkle they tried to get him

2808
02:02:00,049 --> 02:01:56,249
drunk in a bar to see what he'd really

2809
02:02:02,450 --> 02:02:00,059
said absolutely it's in a document from

2810
02:02:04,370 --> 02:02:02,460
the Royal Canadian Air Force that they

2811
02:02:08,419 --> 02:02:04,380
took him to get him to shake his story

2812
02:02:11,029 --> 02:02:08,429
because they had asked him do you drink

2813
02:02:14,390 --> 02:02:11,039
and the implication was you know were

2814
02:02:16,759 --> 02:02:14,400
you drunk or are you alcoholic and he

2815
02:02:19,189 --> 02:02:16,769
said no so when they took him to the bar

2816
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:19,199
he as they know that he didn't refuse

2817
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:22,650
any of the drinks that they offered and

2818
02:02:26,479 --> 02:02:24,690
I think they actually specified it was

2819
02:02:29,629 --> 02:02:26,489
Ryan seven or something like that that

2820
02:02:30,589 --> 02:02:29,639
he that he had and therefore they said

2821
02:02:33,290 --> 02:02:30,599
well she's lying

2822
02:02:35,060 --> 02:02:33,300
you know about about whether he you know

2823
02:02:36,979 --> 02:02:35,070
doesn't drink because obviously he

2824
02:02:38,689 --> 02:02:36,989
drinks well there's a difference between

2825
02:02:40,089 --> 02:02:38,699
whether you drink to excess and whether

2826
02:02:44,149 --> 02:02:40,099
you drink socially and that's what

2827
02:02:46,100 --> 02:02:44,159
mikkeluc meant and I mean I've actually

2828
02:02:48,169 --> 02:02:46,110
had the opportunity on many occasions to

2829
02:02:51,709 --> 02:02:48,179
spend time with him and his family and

2830
02:02:53,359 --> 02:02:51,719
at no point was he ever drunk you know

2831
02:02:55,310 --> 02:02:53,369
we certainly had wine together and and

2832
02:02:57,859 --> 02:02:55,320
things like that that in fact when

2833
02:03:00,410 --> 02:02:57,869
unsolved mysteries NBC flew us down to

2834
02:03:04,399 --> 02:03:00,420
their set to recreate the event an

2835
02:03:06,549 --> 02:03:04,409
interview of on camera we did you know

2836
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:06,559
certainly had some wine with dinner and

2837
02:03:11,479 --> 02:03:08,880
that was about it now does that mean

2838
02:03:14,270 --> 02:03:11,489
that he drinks or does that mean that he

2839
02:03:18,020 --> 02:03:14,280
you know has social drinks you know

2840
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:18,030
depending on the occasion so you know he

2841
02:03:23,330 --> 02:03:21,450
certainly know liked alcoholism

2842
02:03:25,370 --> 02:03:23,340
much as as anyone else did but he

2843
02:03:27,620 --> 02:03:25,380
certainly wasn't drunk as far as

2844
02:03:29,780 --> 02:03:27,630
bringing people to the exact site the

2845
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:29,790
following day actually he was incapable

2846
02:03:34,820 --> 02:03:32,490
of movement the following day he was

2847
02:03:37,250 --> 02:03:34,830
actually a very ill it was actually a

2848
02:03:39,380 --> 02:03:37,260
number of weeks later that he went out

2849
02:03:42,950 --> 02:03:39,390
to the site and during those intervening

2850
02:03:46,580 --> 02:03:42,960
weeks the trees all got leaves when he

2851
02:03:48,020 --> 02:03:46,590
was out there in the spring and the

2852
02:03:50,090 --> 02:03:48,030
trees didn't have much in the way of

2853
02:03:52,190 --> 02:03:50,100
Education when he went out there

2854
02:03:54,050 --> 02:03:52,200
everything was overgrown and it didn't

2855
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:54,060
look right to him he was very confused

2856
02:03:58,640 --> 02:03:56,010
he was puzzled as to where it was and

2857
02:04:00,230 --> 02:03:58,650
where the Royal Canadian Air Force and

2858
02:04:02,930 --> 02:04:00,240
Mounted Police had taken him was

2859
02:04:06,050 --> 02:04:02,940
actually close I had a lot of

2860
02:04:08,300 --> 02:04:06,060
characteristics of where this was but it

2861
02:04:10,130 --> 02:04:08,310
didn't quite look right so they'd

2862
02:04:12,290 --> 02:04:10,140
actually never found the site with them

2863
02:04:14,270 --> 02:04:12,300
he went back a couple of times after

2864
02:04:16,070 --> 02:04:14,280
that to find this site and it took him a

2865
02:04:19,340 --> 02:04:16,080
few tries before he actually did find

2866
02:04:23,420 --> 02:04:19,350
the site and at the site found his

2867
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:23,430
charred undershirt and the charring of

2868
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:25,050
some of the vegetation that was there as

2869
02:04:31,190 --> 02:04:27,690
well and got samples at the RCMP and

2870
02:04:35,930 --> 02:04:31,200
well Canadian Air Force example sampled

2871
02:04:38,420 --> 02:04:35,940
and examined them so there's no question

2872
02:04:42,740 --> 02:04:38,430
that it's a tricky site to get into in

2873
02:04:48,020 --> 02:04:42,750
fact when I was there a number of years

2874
02:04:50,420 --> 02:04:48,030
ago you had to go in by pack mule and on

2875
02:04:52,130 --> 02:04:50,430
horseback to get into the site and it

2876
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:52,140
was actually quite a quite a difficult

2877
02:04:58,100 --> 02:04:55,370
right I have to say since then some

2878
02:05:02,030 --> 02:04:58,110
entrepreneur at a writing stable has

2879
02:05:03,860 --> 02:05:02,040
created a UFO ride and you can actually

2880
02:05:05,090 --> 02:05:03,870
pay something like 60 bucks a head or

2881
02:05:08,030 --> 02:05:05,100
something like that and they'll take you

2882
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:08,040
into the site for an hour's tour or

2883
02:05:11,300 --> 02:05:09,690
something like that and take you to the

2884
02:05:15,230 --> 02:05:11,310
site and tell you all about the case so

2885
02:05:17,630 --> 02:05:15,240
it's it's not exactly out in the open

2886
02:05:21,770 --> 02:05:17,640
it's it's in some very thick brush and

2887
02:05:22,910 --> 02:05:21,780
on a very rocky terrain so you know is

2888
02:05:25,490 --> 02:05:22,920
the argument that he should have been

2889
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:25,500
able to find it easier if he was an

2890
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:27,570
experienced woodsman well he wasn't an

2891
02:05:31,820 --> 02:05:29,610
experienced woodsman he was a an

2892
02:05:34,460 --> 02:05:31,830
occasional person who trumped around in

2893
02:05:35,569 --> 02:05:34,470
the bush and and wasn't all that good at

2894
02:05:44,060 --> 02:05:35,579
it

2895
02:05:46,790 --> 02:05:44,070
later when he had the RCMP and and Air

2896
02:05:48,290 --> 02:05:46,800
Force with him but not I would say I

2897
02:05:52,520 --> 02:05:48,300
wouldn't write it off simply because of

2898
02:05:54,799 --> 02:05:52,530
that yeah I do agree with you Chris if

2899
02:05:57,049 --> 02:05:54,809
this is one of the stronger cases and

2900
02:06:00,229 --> 02:05:57,059
you know Jacques Vallee covered it I

2901
02:06:03,740 --> 02:06:00,239
think kind of covered it in their

2902
02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:03,750
writings and I think it does go down as

2903
02:06:08,330 --> 02:06:05,090
one of those world darkhorse

2904
02:06:10,459 --> 02:06:08,340
important cases that many people fairly

2905
02:06:12,410 --> 02:06:10,469
new to the field are unaware of of

2906
02:06:15,500 --> 02:06:12,420
course a harbor comes to mind as another

2907
02:06:18,649 --> 02:06:15,510
Canadian case that really has some you

2908
02:06:20,930 --> 02:06:18,659
know Chris Stiles work I think that

2909
02:06:23,209 --> 02:06:20,940
there's there's really some fire there

2910
02:06:24,319 --> 02:06:23,219
whether smoke there's generally fire and

2911
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:24,329
that would be another good one

2912
02:06:31,459 --> 02:06:28,770
but you know I'm wondering here has his

2913
02:06:34,220 --> 02:06:31,469
story changed over time has there been

2914
02:06:36,080 --> 02:06:34,230
any embellishment has he pretty much

2915
02:06:38,930 --> 02:06:36,090
stuck with the original with the

2916
02:06:39,560 --> 02:06:38,940
original account you spent some time

2917
02:06:43,100 --> 02:06:39,570
with him

2918
02:06:45,229 --> 02:06:43,110
how is his life change for instance it

2919
02:06:48,589 --> 02:06:45,239
has has his thinking been altered by

2920
02:06:51,049 --> 02:06:48,599
this case as he now a hard-and-fast true

2921
02:06:54,410 --> 02:06:51,059
believer does he feel remorse that he

2922
02:06:56,450 --> 02:06:54,420
was singled out how about his health

2923
02:06:58,010 --> 02:06:56,460
yeah that's an interesting thing he

2924
02:07:04,339 --> 02:06:58,020
actually did pass away about ten years

2925
02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:04,349
ago but to his deathbed he he didn't

2926
02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:07,050
change his story and he was of the

2927
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:08,730
opinion that if you you know don't

2928
02:07:13,100 --> 02:07:10,650
believe him that's too bad but this is

2929
02:07:15,439 --> 02:07:13,110
what happened the other curious thing

2930
02:07:19,100 --> 02:07:15,449
about this is that he never talked about

2931
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:19,110
aliens he was convinced it was some sort

2932
02:07:24,919 --> 02:07:22,770
of secret craft like a vertical take off

2933
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:24,929
something or a moon lander I mean this

2934
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:27,090
was 67 when you know we're just in the

2935
02:07:30,109 --> 02:07:28,530
process of talking about going to the

2936
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:30,119
moon and whatever he thought this was

2937
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some sort of secret government craft and

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that's why when he walked up to the

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craft he thought it was an American

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secret vehicle of some sort and he had a

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lot of respect for the military having

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been a military man himself so he you

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know he thought in those terms he didn't

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think in terms of

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aliens and even many years later when

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the unsolved mysteries was interviewing

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about this he didn't talk about aliens

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02:08:00,560 --> 02:07:57,090
he thought this was some sort of

2949
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terrestrial vehicle of some kind and

2950
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that's another interesting aspect that

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kinda shades of Cash land him uh yeah it

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was it was it was something that that he

2953
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thought was it had to be real because he

2954
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was experiencing it and flying saucers

2955
02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:15,540
from Mars obviously aren't real but this

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that was sitting in front of him was

2957
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something that was tangible and he did

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touch it so in your estimation the case

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holds up all these years later I mean

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we're talking you were going back almost

2961
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you know 45 years now so you you think

2962
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it still stands up and I think it still

2963
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stands up and the fact that we have all

2964
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the documentation makes it very unique

2965
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in the history of ufology though I can't

2966
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think of very many cases where we have

2967
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so much documentation plus the record of

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evidence plus a witness who is willing

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to talk plus an actual location which

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can still be visited well well here's

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another interesting case that I remember

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being exposed to back in the early 90s

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when I was first getting involved in

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this morass of a so-called field called

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ufology I often add an extra o to the

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word and call it you fool of gee because

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there's so many foolish people running

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around you present company excluded of

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course but G comes from John keel yeah I

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if it had to have come from somewhere

2981
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I'm not surprised that that's where it

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came from

2983
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well here's a here's a question from

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legend tripper who's a very rare poster

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at forum dr. Peric ascom but he's posted

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his question on the question Bank for

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you and this is his eighth post in over

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a year and a half so you're bringing him

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out of the woodwork there guy okay hello

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mr. Bukowski

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I've often always been I have always

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been intrigued by the cast of characters

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involved in the cart man yin corners

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Guardian case has it been definitively

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proven that Bobby Charlevoix was

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Guardian and that Bob Osler of MUFON

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perpetuated this alleged case now we

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must for those of you who aren't

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we're of the Guardian case this

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incredible night time video showed up I

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think what 92 93 somewhere around there

3002
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maybe 94 let's explain that case in our

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next segment okay because a lot of our

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would you explain this case a little bit

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further for those described the the very

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compelling footage that really had a lot

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of people tittering back when it was

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released by this mysterious character

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that called himself Guardian well yeah

3141
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and it actually started a little bit

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before then but what most people

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remember is the guardian case is a video

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that was shot somewhere in the vicinity

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of Ottawa Ontario where you know

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ostensibly was a disc-shaped objects

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with object with flashing lights it was

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a little out of focus the video itself

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was incredibly shaky bouncing all over

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the place but the story was that this

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object was seen video was taken of it

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and then there is some mysterious

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helicopters that were seen a little bit

3154
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after that all black of course seen

3155
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patrolling the neighborhood giving some

3156
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chase there was also a lot of

3157
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documentation

3158
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and there were a boat I would say ten

3159
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ufologists in North America who received

3160
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packages in the mail from this

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mysterious Guardian some of the packages

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contained videotapes of VHS tapes some

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actually just had still photographs

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glossy photographs and they all had some

3165
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mysterious writing they all had some

3166
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information about a crash of a UFO

3167
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somewhere in the area called carp which

3168
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is just basically a suburb of Ottawa

3169
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supposedly it was covered up whatever it

3170
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was that crashed was carted away under

3171
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the cover of darkness people sworn to

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secrecy and and all sorts of things and

3173
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in addition to this particular video

3174
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showing the the saucer there was a

3175
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secondary video of an alien that kind of

3176
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resembled Stan Roman X alien head from

3177
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the window in fact there's a still photo

3178
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of that that was also passed around and

3179
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then some some other scenery of in the

3180
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countryside around there so something

3181
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happened and this was the story that

3182
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went around it now there were a number

3183
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of really good investigators in the

3184
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Ontario area at the time there was Tom

3185
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see often us who is now out of ufology

3186
02:17:57,520 --> 02:17:53,660
but was very active at the time Errol

3187
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Bruce Knapp everybody knows him from UFO

3188
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updates he was involved it was a fellow

3189
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by the name of his last name was gray

3190
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I'm Lauren gold foot green gold foot

3191
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something like that he was actually in

3192
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the Ottawa area a number of people went

3193
02:18:13,660 --> 02:18:11,870
to investigate and they went to this

3194
02:18:15,580 --> 02:18:13,670
location there was a map of course in

3195
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all of this that showed where this

3196
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occurred and people the investigators

3197
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went and it was a typical rural setting

3198
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very similar to I don't know rural

3199
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Pennsylvania I suppose rolling hills all

3200
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that sort of thing small hobby farms and

3201
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whatnot and nobody at any recollection

3202
02:18:35,850 --> 02:18:33,320
of there being any you know government

3203
02:18:40,320 --> 02:18:35,860
trucks or lights in the sky or anything

3204
02:18:42,940 --> 02:18:40,330
and the case began to fall apart because

3205
02:18:44,980 --> 02:18:42,950
there is simply no evidence to support

3206
02:18:47,710 --> 02:18:44,990
anything like this

3207
02:18:50,950 --> 02:18:47,720
somebody did discover however a wargame

3208
02:18:53,980 --> 02:18:50,960
site which was owned by one of the

3209
02:18:55,840 --> 02:18:53,990
people in the carp area and there all

3210
02:18:58,480 --> 02:18:55,850
sorts of signs about you know danger

3211
02:18:59,680 --> 02:18:58,490
government investigations keep out all

3212
02:19:01,840 --> 02:18:59,690
the sort of stuff that he had put up

3213
02:19:04,300 --> 02:19:01,850
himself and it was not official in any

3214
02:19:06,610 --> 02:19:04,310
way some of the people who lived near

3215
02:19:07,870 --> 02:19:06,620
there were some of the other individuals

3216
02:19:09,850 --> 02:19:07,880
involved who said that they had seen

3217
02:19:12,640 --> 02:19:09,860
these helicopters had seen the UFO and

3218
02:19:16,090 --> 02:19:12,650
so forth one of the artifacts that was

3219
02:19:18,820 --> 02:19:16,100
discovered by investigators on this war

3220
02:19:22,810 --> 02:19:18,830
game site was a burned-out truck like a

3221
02:19:24,310 --> 02:19:22,820
Ford 150 or something there was signs of

3222
02:19:27,520 --> 02:19:24,320
burning or around it in the shrubbery

3223
02:19:29,860 --> 02:19:27,530
and what eventually was decided by the

3224
02:19:32,920 --> 02:19:29,870
investigators and they recreated this

3225
02:19:35,500 --> 02:19:32,930
image was that this was not a saucer in

3226
02:19:39,700 --> 02:19:35,510
the sky that was moving around it was

3227
02:19:44,140 --> 02:19:39,710
actually a series of torches and and

3228
02:19:46,390 --> 02:19:44,150
flares are set up around this truck and

3229
02:19:48,340 --> 02:19:46,400
the camera itself was moved up and down

3230
02:19:52,990 --> 02:19:48,350
to give the illusion that this object

3231
02:19:54,761 --> 02:19:53,000
was zipping around the sky and when you

3232
02:19:56,711 --> 02:19:54,771
see it in that context there's been some

3233
02:19:59,110 --> 02:19:56,721
you know side by side comparisons it

3234
02:20:01,660 --> 02:19:59,120
really does seem that there was a very

3235
02:20:04,450 --> 02:20:01,670
elaborate hoax and who knows who was

3236
02:20:06,341 --> 02:20:04,460
beside it or behind it whether it was

3237
02:20:08,860 --> 02:20:06,351
the you know Bobby Charlevoix or

3238
02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:08,870
somebody else or Bob excellor himself

3239
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:11,690
I know extra really supported the case

3240
02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:13,610
believed was absolutely true but when

3241
02:20:17,740 --> 02:20:15,290
people pressed him for further evidence

3242
02:20:21,461 --> 02:20:17,750
and questioned him about some of the the

3243
02:20:23,470 --> 02:20:21,471
evidence see he simply didn't reply I I

3244
02:20:25,450 --> 02:20:23,480
think the general consensus that the

3245
02:20:28,690 --> 02:20:25,460
Guardian was a very elaborate hoax and

3246
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:28,700
why somebody did this I have no idea but

3247
02:20:33,250 --> 02:20:30,530
it's certainly you know ranks right up

3248
02:20:35,560 --> 02:20:33,260
there and had the Roswell slides group

3249
02:20:37,511 --> 02:20:35,570
and around at the time boy they would

3250
02:20:39,850 --> 02:20:37,521
have had a heyday they would have tore

3251
02:20:42,011 --> 02:20:39,860
it a new one well speaking of Bob XR

3252
02:20:44,591 --> 02:20:42,021
that's the name that you don't hear or

3253
02:20:46,330 --> 02:20:44,601
see very often anymore do we do we know

3254
02:20:48,671 --> 02:20:46,340
what whatever happened to him he hasn't

3255
02:20:51,370 --> 02:20:48,681
really been I haven't really seen

3256
02:20:54,131 --> 02:20:51,380
mentions of him maybe one mention of him

3257
02:20:56,620 --> 02:20:54,141
in the past 10-15 years you know

3258
02:20:57,520 --> 02:20:56,630
whatever happened to him I have no idea

3259
02:21:00,100 --> 02:20:57,530
what happened above it

3260
02:21:02,980 --> 02:21:00,110
a very enigmatic character that was

3261
02:21:06,131 --> 02:21:02,990
involved in a number of questionable

3262
02:21:07,810 --> 02:21:06,141
claims and and plus his own background

3263
02:21:09,761 --> 02:21:07,820
kind of fell apart

3264
02:21:11,440 --> 02:21:09,771
he claimed I think didn't he claimed

3265
02:21:13,810 --> 02:21:11,450
that he had worked for NASA and it turns

3266
02:21:19,360 --> 02:21:13,820
out he was a janitor for some facility

3267
02:21:20,980 --> 02:21:19,370
or okay shades of shades of area 51 and

3268
02:21:23,530 --> 02:21:20,990
well you know and I'm a mission

3269
02:21:26,501 --> 02:21:23,540
specialist yeah I emptied the garbage

3270
02:21:28,301 --> 02:21:26,511
cans and refill coffee cups yeah and

3271
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:28,311
then I accidentally spilled some element

3272
02:21:34,211 --> 02:21:30,800
115 all over me it's just you know whoa

3273
02:21:35,950 --> 02:21:34,221
whoa we don't need any of that lurking

3274
02:21:38,501 --> 02:21:35,960
about what do you think about Eugene

3275
02:21:40,450 --> 02:21:38,511
that named Bob X or have you seen that

3276
02:21:43,240 --> 02:21:40,460
name around it doesn't ring a bell

3277
02:21:44,980 --> 02:21:43,250
you've never heard a Bob exort I've

3278
02:21:47,530 --> 02:21:44,990
heard of the name I just can't think

3279
02:21:49,620 --> 02:21:47,540
where it connects you know well you know

3280
02:21:53,350 --> 02:21:49,630
there's so many names have come forth

3281
02:21:56,770 --> 02:21:53,360
well you know he was a real interesting

3282
02:21:58,660 --> 02:21:56,780
character I was kind of equated him to

3283
02:22:00,490 --> 02:21:58,670
almost like a John Lear type you know

3284
02:22:03,310 --> 02:22:00,500
who's out there you know whispering

3285
02:22:06,040 --> 02:22:03,320
around and we're Dan Brown is another

3286
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:06,050
one a Dan Smith rather it's another one

3287
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:09,200
that jumps on on cases and touts them

3288
02:22:13,450 --> 02:22:10,610
and then disappears back into the

3289
02:22:16,270 --> 02:22:13,460
woodwork product serpo or some of these

3290
02:22:18,881 --> 02:22:16,280
other more recent questionable claims

3291
02:22:21,850 --> 02:22:18,891
that have arisen of course Lynne Caston

3292
02:22:26,110 --> 02:22:21,860
wrote the book about project servo where

3293
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:26,120
supposedly taken you know almost just

3294
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:28,250
verbatim out of close encounters we sent

3295
02:22:34,421 --> 02:22:31,610
a group of what 12 or 13 astronauts to

3296
02:22:36,040 --> 02:22:34,431
this star system called and there was a

3297
02:22:37,780 --> 02:22:36,050
planet called Project serpo and they

3298
02:22:40,211 --> 02:22:37,790
lived there for a number of years and

3299
02:22:43,990 --> 02:22:40,221
one of them died and when they came back

3300
02:22:45,100 --> 02:22:44,000
they were changed and and all this where

3301
02:22:48,430 --> 02:22:45,110
do you come down on some of these more

3302
02:22:51,520 --> 02:22:48,440
elaborate stories that have been kind of

3303
02:22:53,801 --> 02:22:51,530
touted here in the past 10-15 years well

3304
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:53,811
you know it's there there are some great

3305
02:22:57,850 --> 02:22:55,130
stories there's no question that that

3306
02:23:00,511 --> 02:22:57,860
storytelling is is part of ufology and

3307
02:23:03,070 --> 02:23:00,521
that's what that's one of the aspects I

3308
02:23:04,990 --> 02:23:03,080
study is the storytelling aspect that of

3309
02:23:09,220 --> 02:23:05,000
course jackie'll was into that ballet

3310
02:23:11,350 --> 02:23:09,230
and certainly a lot of other individuals

3311
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:11,360
have studied the storytelling of

3312
02:23:18,881 --> 02:23:14,570
apology as a mythology and you know

3313
02:23:21,551 --> 02:23:18,891
there's no it's not unusual that it

3314
02:23:23,350 --> 02:23:21,561
would develop like this that you know

3315
02:23:26,591 --> 02:23:23,360
that it's taken on a life of its own

3316
02:23:28,030 --> 02:23:26,601
because you know there's no way to prove

3317
02:23:29,530 --> 02:23:28,040
a lot of cases you're talking about

3318
02:23:33,091 --> 02:23:29,540
first-person accounts it's a very

3319
02:23:36,730 --> 02:23:33,101
personal humanistic type of phenomenon

3320
02:23:38,501 --> 02:23:36,740
very jealous as some people have said

3321
02:23:41,980 --> 02:23:38,511
that you know it appears to some people

3322
02:23:43,570 --> 02:23:41,990
or not to others and a lot of people

3323
02:23:45,881 --> 02:23:43,580
have taken on their their religiosity

3324
02:23:48,940 --> 02:23:45,891
with this that you know they're they

3325
02:23:50,501 --> 02:23:48,950
have a lot of invested in this certainly

3326
02:23:53,831 --> 02:23:50,511
it's been said that some abductees and

3327
02:23:56,081 --> 02:23:53,841
contactees you know develop their

3328
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stories because of trauma in their lives

3329
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because of a desire for attention

3330
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because of a desire or you know they

3331
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have some low self-esteem issues and

3332
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things like that they're they're looking

3333
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to be affirmed for some of their beliefs

3334
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and and you know when they speak at

3335
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conferences with like-minded individuals

3336
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it gives them a boost it tells them that

3337
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they're alright know what we're not

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3424
02:29:00,990 --> 02:28:58,120
might make some people seek recognition

3425
02:29:03,961 --> 02:29:01,000
the UFO field right that's that's been

3426
02:29:05,371 --> 02:29:03,971
said yeah and in in my book abductions

3427
02:29:07,560 --> 02:29:05,381
and aliens that's one of the theories

3428
02:29:09,990 --> 02:29:07,570
that i talked about that it's more of a

3429
02:29:11,881 --> 02:29:10,000
psychological and social phenomenon you

3430
02:29:14,041 --> 02:29:11,891
know at the same time there are cases in

3431
02:29:16,740 --> 02:29:14,051
abductions that that really puzzled me

3432
02:29:19,140 --> 02:29:16,750
that I don't see connected like that so

3433
02:29:21,541 --> 02:29:19,150
maybe we're dealing with not just one

3434
02:29:25,261 --> 02:29:21,551
simple phenomena maybe there's a you

3435
02:29:26,791 --> 02:29:25,271
know a continuum of experiences that can

3436
02:29:29,911 --> 02:29:26,801
be looked at from a number of different

3437
02:29:31,770 --> 02:29:29,921
angles maybe some are you know

3438
02:29:33,810 --> 02:29:31,780
psychological one reason maybe some are

3439
02:29:35,791 --> 02:29:33,820
religious events and maybe there is a

3440
02:29:38,701 --> 02:29:35,801
physical phenomena that that is

3441
02:29:40,801 --> 02:29:38,711
manifesting to some people and and not

3442
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to others they're in the right place at

3443
02:29:45,451 --> 02:29:42,461
the right time or the wrong place at the

3444
02:29:47,400 --> 02:29:45,461
at the wrong time that you know there's

3445
02:29:50,341 --> 02:29:47,410
so many possibilities and I think we

3446
02:29:52,291 --> 02:29:50,351
still haven't studied them as rigorously

3447
02:29:53,461 --> 02:29:52,301
as they could be I mean Susan blackboard

3448
02:29:56,161 --> 02:29:53,471
has taken a

3449
02:29:56,701 --> 02:29:56,171
john mack of course studied whitley

3450
02:29:58,680 --> 02:29:56,711
strieber

3451
02:30:00,171 --> 02:29:58,690
a lot of people have looked at it but

3452
02:30:02,611 --> 02:30:00,181
the scientific community as a whole

3453
02:30:04,310 --> 02:30:02,621
hasn't really taken a good look at the

3454
02:30:07,951 --> 02:30:04,320
abduction phenomenon i think there's

3455
02:30:10,890 --> 02:30:07,961
dozens of doctoral theses that need to

3456
02:30:12,631 --> 02:30:10,900
be written regarding the abduction

3457
02:30:14,941 --> 02:30:12,641
contactee phenomena and maybe we'll get

3458
02:30:16,411 --> 02:30:14,951
to the bottom of it someday whether

3459
02:30:18,711 --> 02:30:16,421
we're talking about a real phenomena

3460
02:30:21,480 --> 02:30:18,721
maybe it is an anthropological

3461
02:30:23,791 --> 02:30:21,490
experiment of some sort maybe there's

3462
02:30:25,441 --> 02:30:23,801
some some real natural phenomenon maybe

3463
02:30:27,541 --> 02:30:25,451
there's a terrestrial phenomena that's

3464
02:30:30,270 --> 02:30:27,551
giving rise to it and if it is a

3465
02:30:32,461 --> 02:30:30,280
psychological phenomenon I think science

3466
02:30:33,901 --> 02:30:32,471
deserves to take a closer look at it

3467
02:30:37,411 --> 02:30:33,911
because it's affecting more and more

3468
02:30:40,261 --> 02:30:37,421
people and people who are you know in

3469
02:30:42,781 --> 02:30:40,271
the world you know who have jobs perhaps

3470
02:30:44,730 --> 02:30:42,791
trading stocks perhaps police perhaps

3471
02:30:47,671 --> 02:30:44,740
educators who are in our community

3472
02:30:49,140 --> 02:30:47,681
telling others their beliefs it's a it's

3473
02:30:52,381 --> 02:30:49,150
something that I think needs to be

3474
02:30:55,171 --> 02:30:52,391
studied in a in great detail and whether

3475
02:30:58,770 --> 02:30:55,181
it's real with quotation marks around it

3476
02:31:00,841 --> 02:30:58,780
or not you know maybe immaterial to the

3477
02:31:03,001 --> 02:31:00,851
fact that I think science needs to take

3478
02:31:05,551 --> 02:31:03,011
a closer look at this phenomena as well

3479
02:31:08,461 --> 02:31:05,561
as all the other aspects of the UFO

3480
02:31:10,980 --> 02:31:08,471
phenomena it's a sociologist you know

3481
02:31:13,350 --> 02:31:10,990
dream world if you really want to dig

3482
02:31:16,201 --> 02:31:13,360
into it and really attempt to analyze it

3483
02:31:17,821 --> 02:31:16,211
you know in a scientific manner I think

3484
02:31:20,611 --> 02:31:17,831
the same could be said of the cattle

3485
02:31:22,381 --> 02:31:20,621
mutilation mystery and the fact that to

3486
02:31:24,480 --> 02:31:22,391
my knowledge no doctoral dissertations

3487
02:31:25,921 --> 02:31:24,490
have ever been done looking at the at

3488
02:31:27,901 --> 02:31:25,931
the spread of belief in that particular

3489
02:31:31,980 --> 02:31:27,911
phenomenon back in the 70s into the 80s

3490
02:31:34,381 --> 02:31:31,990
what do you make Chris of these millions

3491
02:31:37,861 --> 02:31:34,391
of people that are following people like

3492
02:31:41,281 --> 02:31:37,871
David Wilcock and David seda Steven

3493
02:31:42,591 --> 02:31:41,291
Greer Alfred Webber anything that Kerry

3494
02:31:45,301 --> 02:31:42,601
Cassidy promotes

3495
02:31:47,041 --> 02:31:45,311
you know they're they have hundreds of

3496
02:31:48,930 --> 02:31:47,051
thousands of subscribers they have

3497
02:31:50,881 --> 02:31:48,940
millions of people that are buying into

3498
02:31:52,291 --> 02:31:50,891
this stuff they have suspended their

3499
02:31:55,230 --> 02:31:52,301
disbelief whether consciously or

3500
02:31:58,341 --> 02:31:55,240
otherwise and and for some reason this

3501
02:32:01,560 --> 02:31:58,351
is at least in my estimation it's

3502
02:32:04,411 --> 02:32:01,570
creating some sort of validation for

3503
02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:04,421
maybe suspicions they might have or

3504
02:32:10,030 --> 02:32:06,170
beliefs that they want to

3505
02:32:11,860 --> 02:32:10,040
you know adhere to and and maybe it's

3506
02:32:13,810 --> 02:32:11,870
the you know the we're seeing the

3507
02:32:15,880 --> 02:32:13,820
creation of a new 21st century religion

3508
02:32:17,350 --> 02:32:15,890
but but what do you think of all these

3509
02:32:20,320 --> 02:32:17,360
millions of people that that are

3510
02:32:22,960 --> 02:32:20,330
approaching this from purely a place of

3511
02:32:24,190 --> 02:32:22,970
entertainment and fantasy I mean is

3512
02:32:26,830 --> 02:32:24,200
there any hope for the field

3513
02:32:28,900 --> 02:32:26,840
scientifically with the vast

3514
02:32:32,580 --> 02:32:28,910
preponderance of interest being very

3515
02:32:37,870 --> 02:32:32,590
ungrounded in I don't know just uh III

3516
02:32:41,170 --> 02:32:37,880
equated as being you know be F ignorant

3517
02:32:44,440 --> 02:32:41,180
a bomb being the first word of B and F

3518
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:44,450
you can fill in the blanks I think

3519
02:32:47,830 --> 02:32:45,770
there's a lot of ignorance out there

3520
02:32:49,630 --> 02:32:47,840
that's being pandered to and there's

3521
02:32:52,660 --> 02:32:49,640
people you know David Wilcock lives in

3522
02:32:53,560 --> 02:32:52,670
this huge mansion in Beverly Hills they

3523
02:32:56,050 --> 02:32:53,570
had a book on the New York Times

3524
02:32:58,360 --> 02:32:56,060
bestseller list what do you make of this

3525
02:33:01,600 --> 02:32:58,370
and is this really the death knell of

3526
02:33:04,420 --> 02:33:01,610
scientific ufology well first of all I

3527
02:33:07,179 --> 02:33:04,430
think that we should be concerned about

3528
02:33:09,910 --> 02:33:07,189
this trend there's no question that many

3529
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:09,920
people are putting down good money for

3530
02:33:16,120 --> 02:33:13,130
stuff that really isn't very very useful

3531
02:33:18,070 --> 02:33:16,130
for their lives at all I don't think

3532
02:33:20,410 --> 02:33:18,080
it's the death of scientific ufology

3533
02:33:22,630 --> 02:33:20,420
because we've seen the rise of the

3534
02:33:25,540 --> 02:33:22,640
Roswell slides group and a number of

3535
02:33:26,920 --> 02:33:25,550
others I I think that there still is

3536
02:33:28,780 --> 02:33:26,930
some scientific that you follow G that

3537
02:33:31,300 --> 02:33:28,790
that needs to be done I mean Ted

3538
02:33:33,310 --> 02:33:31,310
Phillips is doing some good work too out

3539
02:33:35,290 --> 02:33:33,320
there in Missouri and wherever so there

3540
02:33:36,910 --> 02:33:35,300
are some people doing some really good

3541
02:33:40,810 --> 02:33:36,920
work they're not necessarily getting the

3542
02:33:43,090 --> 02:33:40,820
attention that they deserve but there is

3543
02:33:45,510 --> 02:33:43,100
some being good work being done it is

3544
02:33:48,520 --> 02:33:45,520
true that a lot of people are following

3545
02:33:49,990 --> 02:33:48,530
people with a lot of interesting claims

3546
02:33:52,750 --> 02:33:50,000
and stories without anything to back

3547
02:33:54,520 --> 02:33:52,760
them up and I think that you know with

3548
02:33:57,580 --> 02:33:54,530
this the over the past couple of hours

3549
02:33:59,520 --> 02:33:57,590
we've been talking really about UFOs and

3550
02:34:03,690 --> 02:33:59,530
ufology as a religion with all the

3551
02:34:09,580 --> 02:34:03,700
religious aspects to it and I think that

3552
02:34:11,410 --> 02:34:09,590
these particular you know views and and

3553
02:34:14,580 --> 02:34:11,420
the theories that are being proposed and

3554
02:34:18,219 --> 02:34:14,590
and the conventions and the seminars and

3555
02:34:19,929 --> 02:34:18,229
the contact nights and so forth they are

3556
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:19,939
really religious events I mean there

3557
02:34:24,309 --> 02:34:22,010
there they really aren't based in fact

3558
02:34:27,130 --> 02:34:24,319
at all but people believe them because

3559
02:34:30,130 --> 02:34:27,140
they want to believe them and you know

3560
02:34:33,099 --> 02:34:30,140
given the unsettled nature that we're in

3561
02:34:35,590 --> 02:34:33,109
right now it's not surprising that that

3562
02:34:37,090 --> 02:34:35,600
people are looking not necessarily for

3563
02:34:38,889 --> 02:34:37,100
affirmation although that certainly is

3564
02:34:42,819 --> 02:34:38,899
part of it about for affirmation and

3565
02:34:44,439 --> 02:34:42,829
validation but looking to the skies for

3566
02:34:46,559 --> 02:34:44,449
some sort of salvation

3567
02:34:48,819 --> 02:34:46,569
you know we've messed up right now

3568
02:34:51,609 --> 02:34:48,829
certain aspects of the Middle East look

3569
02:34:53,889 --> 02:34:51,619
beyond any hope whatsoever and you know

3570
02:34:56,290 --> 02:34:53,899
if we can't solve it somebody out there

3571
02:34:58,179 --> 02:34:56,300
can maybe it's time for the aliens to

3572
02:35:01,210 --> 02:34:58,189
finally reveal themselves through

3573
02:35:03,370 --> 02:35:01,220
disclosure or whatnot and solve all our

3574
02:35:05,109 --> 02:35:03,380
problems for us and so yeah exactly save

3575
02:35:08,199 --> 02:35:05,119
us from ourselves because we certainly

3576
02:35:11,710 --> 02:35:08,209
have no idea how to do it and if you

3577
02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:11,720
look at you know conventional religion

3578
02:35:16,090 --> 02:35:13,850
you know some of them the mega churches

3579
02:35:18,550 --> 02:35:16,100
are still attracting a lot of people

3580
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:18,560
because they're looking at you know

3581
02:35:24,489 --> 02:35:22,010
they're looking to God for salvation as

3582
02:35:28,029 --> 02:35:24,499
well that you know only God can can

3583
02:35:29,439 --> 02:35:28,039
solve this big mess once and for all in

3584
02:35:32,050 --> 02:35:29,449
the fundamental religions whether

3585
02:35:34,899 --> 02:35:32,060
they're Middle Eastern or you know

3586
02:35:38,380 --> 02:35:34,909
elsewhere around the world you know

3587
02:35:41,380 --> 02:35:38,390
there's a hope that if we appease God or

3588
02:35:44,319 --> 02:35:41,390
turn to God everything will will be all

3589
02:35:46,510 --> 02:35:44,329
right that will be saved you know will

3590
02:35:47,979 --> 02:35:46,520
will enter heaven one way or another and

3591
02:35:50,469 --> 02:35:47,989
everything's gonna be fine

3592
02:35:52,809 --> 02:35:50,479
so there's us this looking outward and

3593
02:35:56,019 --> 02:35:52,819
that's a good thing in some senses that

3594
02:35:57,849 --> 02:35:56,029
we're looking outward to the Stars so

3595
02:35:59,529 --> 02:35:57,859
that if there really are aliens out

3596
02:36:01,269 --> 02:35:59,539
there it puts us in our place that we

3597
02:36:02,920 --> 02:36:01,279
really are just sitting on a rocky

3598
02:36:05,469 --> 02:36:02,930
planet in the middle of nowhere on a

3599
02:36:08,260 --> 02:36:05,479
spiral arm of a really nondescript

3600
02:36:10,479 --> 02:36:08,270
galaxy we're very very small in that

3601
02:36:12,219 --> 02:36:10,489
sense and there's a very big universe

3602
02:36:14,349 --> 02:36:12,229
out there and maybe there's someone out

3603
02:36:16,719 --> 02:36:14,359
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3604
02:36:18,689 --> 02:36:16,729
it is God or an ultra terrestrial or an

3605
02:36:23,319 --> 02:36:18,699
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3606
02:36:26,380 --> 02:36:23,329
all this interest in in the really the

3607
02:36:30,340 --> 02:36:26,390
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3608
02:36:32,739 --> 02:36:30,350
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3609
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3610
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3611
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